WOW, just Wow - sometimes they FILMED it Right!

Some golden footage here. Really great find. I've read so much about most of these guys, but never saw any footage of them and this is just brilliant.

Thanks Thistle, this has made my night. :good

 

....who is john galt?

 

Great stuff. Good good fighters and in shape.

 

Domestic and Euro level contenders, but not world level imo.

 

I agree. Even Mills was a very low quality world champion who was more in the right place at the right time than anything. Im still trying to figure out how Maxim stopped him without the help of a heat wave.

 

I didn't think it necessary to mention Mills was a world champion.
None of the others were, nor did they fight for world titles and apart from one debatable exception they never beat world class opposition which is the only way of measuring whether you are world class!
I would agree the old fighters were in the main better than today's but those examples you have kindly shown apart from Mills were not world class fighters and their records prove it.

 

Never forget that Nat Fleischer (and later editors) always ranked unworthy fighters from foreign countries to make his magazine more accessible and increase distribution abroad. You can always find unworthy fighters ranked in Ring magazine.

 

This coming from a pinheaded moron who wants everyone to believe it was criminal to make his grandfather ONLY outweigh Cerdan by 12 pounds. You take some fifth generation vhs clip of a bunch of clubfighters and cream in your pants about how great they look when the footage is filmed right... and I need to get a grip? Anyone who knows anything about Ring magazine knows it was common practice for Fleischer to cater to foreign fighters that werent always deserving of such attention in order to sell magazines abroad. I know I know they failed to mention that unsung hero Gilroy who was avoided by everyone and criminally kept in the shadows, but yes most of the time Fleischer was ranking foreign fighters to get sales. That being said, none of that effects what is being said here by myself and McVey:

Johnny Ralph had a total of 19 fights in an era when fighters often had upwards of 50 before even getting close to a rating and lost to the only two recognizable names he fought by KO. Not world class.

Jack London had exactly ONE win over his entire 140+ career that meant anything at all (dont even bring up his three wins over the ancient Larry Gains or George Cook). That one win was against Freddie Mills whod beaten him once and lets not forget the 40 pound weight advantage that London had in that fight. But I know, I know, Mills had just beaten Gilroy so he must have been a monster...

Nick Wolmarans was a total regional talent who wasnt even competetive on the empire level much less the world stage.

Stephane Olek (who I have a lot of footage) was nothing special at all. He was another domestic product. I know he beat your grandpa but sorry he was absolutely not world class.

Jack Kukkard was never even the best HW in the relatively talent poor SA and you want to pretend he was world class?

The best win of Johnny Arthur's career came against Bob Dunlop who was coming of an 8rd decision loss to a guy who had lost his last three...

Alf Gallagher never had a world class win to his name and failed to win more than half of his fights.

Ken Shaw is another that beat your grandpap (and Im starting to see a pattern: if they beat Gilroy, or beat a guy who beat Gilroy they must have been great) but beat absolutely no one else of note.

So here is the thing, maybe Gilroy getting beaten by all of these guys who werent world class means you need to reevaluate the company line youve been pushing for the past several years about how great Gilroy was and while you are at it maybe you should get a f_ckin grip and get real.

"Its a crime that Gilroy couldnt outweigh a recent WW by 20 pounds"
"If a guy beats Gilroy but absolutely NOBODY else he must have been a legend"
"This fifth generation VHS cap proves these guys were fantastic fighters"

The only thing you illustrate is just how much you love your grandpa. Its admirable but when you take that to the next step and cant seperate it from his actual accomplishments/ring standing it becomes laughably biased.