Wow. People still think Froch beat Andre Dirrell? I thought it was Consensus

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  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Post your scorecard. Prove me wrong.
     
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  2. shelterr

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    The funniest part about these discussions is that no one ever tries to say what Froch did well to deserve the victory. Sure, Dirrel fought like a ***** at times, but you can't 'give a fight away' if the other guy does nothing to take it. So most of Dirrels pussiness becomes moot when Froch also did nothing. Therefore you have to judge on what is actually being done by either fighter. Froch did damn near nothing but follow and foul, and Dirrel landed clean, hard punches that made me think he almost had Froch out of there. Dirrel 7-5, 8-4 EASY.
     
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  3. newby johnson

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    What bothers me is Froch's smug face after the fight, like not only did he win but he can't understend how there could ever be any doubt.

    Man I hope when he fights AA, AA knocks his face around to the back of his head so he looks like the wolf man and can't box anymore and looks mug after getting decisions he doesn't deserve.
     
    newby johnson, Mar 21, 2010
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  4. Thom

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    ^This. Despite Dirrell's running and excessive holding, Froch didn't do much besides land rabbit punches in the second half of the fight. I wonder if the people who scored this fight for Froch just because he kept coming forward also scored Wlad Klitschko/Sam Peter for Peter on the same basis.
     
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  5. MichiganWarrior

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    You could possibly give Froch 2 of the first 3 rounds. I had it at best in Froch's favor 2-2-1 after 5. Dirrell won 7, 8, 10, 11, and 12 clearly. Thats 7-4-1. And thats giving Froch the benefit of the doubt in rounds like 9, and 6 where his best punches were to the back of Dirrells head.

    Dont see how you could give Round 12 to Froch. Dirrell landed more punches in the round, landed the hardest punch, the best combo and Froch did virtually nothing for the first 2 minutes.

    Watch it again.
     
    MichiganWarrior, Mar 21, 2010
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  6. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not everyone scores the same way you do. Thats why there are 3 judges. Some people are so ego centric, they cant imagine people scoring boxing matches differntly than them.

    Both guys deserved a loss that night.
     
    VanillaKilla, Mar 21, 2010
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  7. MichiganWarrior

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    Exactly. Quite frankly its disgusting what Froch was able to get away with in this fight.

    Watch at 1:15 of the vid. Watch Froch actually looks at the back of Dirrells head and hits him. How is that not a point deduction?
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhU0KMK196A&feature=related[/ame]
     
    MichiganWarrior, Mar 21, 2010
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  8. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LOL what about when dirrell turns his head on purpose to avoid being hit when in the clinch???
     
    VanillaKilla, Mar 21, 2010
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  9. clyde

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    Dirrell should get a new team.....his gameplan sucks and he'll have more decisions going against him if he keeps going the way he's going.
     
    clyde, Mar 21, 2010
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  10. MichiganWarrior

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    Froch said it himself he purposely hit Dirrell behind the head. Froch was obviously cupping the back of Dirrells head, not even really attempting to punch him.

    Tell me, is that point in the fight not an automatic point deduction anywhere else in the world?
     
    MichiganWarrior, Mar 21, 2010
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  11. clyde

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    Yup. A good lesson for the youngster. :good


    Soon we'll find out if he learned anything.
     
    clyde, Mar 21, 2010
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  12. VanillaKilla

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    LOL, look at the Ward-Kessler fight :lol: Ward was allowed to headbutt,and hold and hit whenever he wanted... You think that ref would have taken points off???

    What about falling on the floor because your scared???? I think a point should be taken off for that :huh

    In the end, its the fans that lose... No one deserved to win, but Im happy direll didnt win..... I wouldnt be able to hear him call himself a champion after that garbage performance......
     
    VanillaKilla, Mar 21, 2010
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  13. MichiganWarrior

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    Yeah the lesson Cousin Avi learned in Snatch

    "Dont go to England" :rofl
     
    MichiganWarrior, Mar 21, 2010
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  14. MichiganWarrior

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    When south paws fight orthodox fighters, head butts are bound to occur. The head butts however didnt effect the fight, Ward was already schooling Kessler before the first headbutt occured.

    And as for clinching its part of boxing. Willie Pep, Bernard Hopkins, and Tunney used it as their main arsenal

    Its seems the only Euro fighters who know how to clinch are Hatton and the Klitsckos.

    Yep, that was the only thing that I really thought Dirrell made himself look bad. He was going for a punch and when Froch pulled back he knew he had been caught in a bad position, and being of 2 minds attack and defense fell down.

    The other tims he "fell" Froch either body slammed him or pulled him down by the back of the head.


    A young prospect going overseas, being the heavy underdog and even hurting his opponent and you dont think he deserved to be champ?
     
    MichiganWarrior, Mar 21, 2010
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  15. fitzgeraldz

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    114-113 Dirrell ...

    Froch didn't fight a good fight ... only reason why he got the benefit of doubt was because he was already champion.
     
    fitzgeraldz, Mar 21, 2010
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