Wow. People still think Froch beat Andre Dirrell? I thought it was Consensus

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  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Dirrell wasnt hurt nor staggered. He was caught going backwards off balance. Dirrell lands more punches in the round by a wide difference, but they were mostly ineffective punches, distance controlling punches, and I see no problem giving this round to Froch because he landed the msot effective punch of the round.
    Thought was a clear Dirrell round. Fair enough.

    Clear Dirrell round. One of his best on the night. Froch doesnt really land anythng, but a well timed body slam. Dirrell outlanded Froch in that round 12-2. Froch wasnt even aggressive in this round with Dirrell throwing more punches and power shots.

    This round is pretty much when Froch realizes he cant beat Dirrell in a boxing match and has to get dirty.

    Meh gave this round to Froch aswell.

    Froch's punches on the inside were mostly rabbit punches to the back of the head, you dont count those. With about 30 seconds left in the fight Froch grabs the back of Dirrells head and starts hitting him, most refs would deduct a point for that. Dirrell complains which allows froch to land his only meaningful punch of the night.

    Dirrell punctuates the end of the round with a left hook that sends Froch into the ropes, the hardest punch of the round, in a round where Dirrell outlanded Froch.

    Dont see how you could give this round to Froch. Dirrell lands several blistering combinations, the only thing Froch lands is a left hook while Dirrells on the ropes at the end of the round. But this doesnt discount that Dirrell out landed him most of the round. Best punch being a right counter at the 1:30 mark.

    Agreed, gave this round to Froch.

    Agreed.

    Agreed.

    Exactly. The fight only got ugly from rounds 6-9. Rounds 1-5 was a classic boxing match with both fighters trying to outbox the other.

    Froch realized that he couldnt outbox Dirrell so he got into the rough stuff, Dirrell for his inexperience couldnt cope, but in my eyes it still didnt lose him the fight.

    Those who say this fight was horrible, are those that only watched it the night and most likely were favoring Froch to massacre Dirrell and when that didnt happen it became "a horrible fight"

    I see where you are coming from. But if you count punches and see how ineffective Froch's offense is. Rounds 5, 7, 8 are clear Dirrell rounds. Froch would try and rough it up and come on in the last 30 seconds, but it doesnt take away what Dirrell did the entire round which was counter well and land blistering combinations.

    Most of Froch's punches came at one of the time increments. Dirrell landed combos.


    Anyways while I disagree, I respect you for actually coming up with a scorecard, most Froch fans wont even attempt to back up them scoring the fight for him.

    Kudos. :good
     
  2. Sai

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    Dirrell really ****ed himself over with all the bitching and moaning.

    Its always frustrating when fighters do it, as it makes them look like they are losing, and complaining to try and get themselves an edge. The judges will see it too, and it can potentially be enough to reverse a round for them. Often thats all it takes.

    If he'd have just ****ing got on with it, I genuinely believe he'd probably have got the nod.

    As usual though with these ESB "robberies" it was a very close fight that could have gone either way. There's been way worse scores of late that received not as much comment as this due to the UK/USA rivalry.
     
  3. Sai

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    Then the 119-110 reverse scorecard against P-Will. Poor Martinex must have broken a load of mirrors and then used the shards to kill gypsies or something with his shitty luck. Fair play though, the guy is a trooper.
     
  4. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    He was complaining because Froch was body slamming him and hitting him on the back of the dome.

    What the **** is he supposed to do. :lol:
     
  5. BoxingChaos

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    lol had Dirrell not ran like a ***** all night, we would not be having this thread right? hahahaha

    I wonder how many miles Dirrell is going to add to his odometer vs Abraham?

    :rofl

    RUN DIRRELL RUN!

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  6. Cobbler

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    Michigan Warrior = Danny_Rand, right?

    So, we have at least established that the 'consensus'is that it was an ugly, close, hard to score fight that could have gone either way.

    My opinion, as I posted at the time, is that any scorecard from 7-5 Froch to 8-4 Dirrell is perfectly justifiable.

    Dirrell fought a stupid stupid fight and should learn a lot of lessons from it if he wants to progress. Number one would be that if you're going to fight going backwards (especially in a hostile venue against a reigning titleholder) you need to make it very clear to the judges that you are the one in control of the fight and the other guy can't do anything to you (see Haye v Valuev by way of contrast). By falling to the canvas and complaining Dirrell made it appear that Froch was troubling him. When you have a round where essentially nothing of much quality has happened at all (and this fight had a few of those), the judges have to pick on something and human nature is to favour the guy who 'looks like' he's on top. Dirrell helped to make it look like Froch was on top.
     
  7. Sai

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    He could contemplate not turning his back when his opponent is starting to flurry, and then punching him in the face?
     
  8. MichiganWarrior

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    Nonsense. Only one poster has been able to post a scorecard defending Froch. And even then, the rounds he gave Froch, 5, 7, 8 were clear Dirrell rounds based on punches landed.



    Again if you are scoring by the criteria correctly, its a clear Dirrell victory.



    Giving Froch 7 rounds is quite a task. Kill Something giving rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 to Froch only scored it 6-4-2 for Froch.

    Its almost literally impossible to find 7 rounds to give to Froch. He landed 5 power punches the entire fight. You'd basically have to say he out jabbed Dirrell. :rofl
    He fought a smart fight. He could have went in there and tried to take Caveman Slobra's head off, but instead he decided to outbox him and was doing fine until Froch realizing he couldnt win that way started to rabbit punch and do anything he could to make the fight rough. From round 6-9 the fight was somewhat close, but in the 10th with the bull**** point deduction Dirrell woke up so to speak and outclassed him.

    Again if this fight were in a nuetral venue in all likelyhood Froch is disqualified before the start of the 9th and its not even an issue.
    Despite throwing 11 punches around and embarrassing himself against a fighter who is quite possibly the worst fighter to ever hold a belt, the fact that he showboated and "looked" like he was winning was better then Dirrell who threw landed twice as much as Haye threw just because Dirrell had the audacity to complain about blatant fouling? Wow.

    Thats inexperienced judging.

    Reference the Hatton vs Mayweather fight. To the unschooled observer, Hattons rough tactics and lunging in/ineffective aggression would make it seem like Hatton was doing well for the first half of the fight. Thats why you hear HAttonites saying that the fight was even for the first 6 rounds.

    But the judges of the fight beg to differ. you see them being experienced, realized that Hatton wasnt actually landing punches, this wasnt a cage match, and ever time Hatton lounged in Mayweather was hitting him with clean counters, ala Froch vs Dirrell.

    Again nuetra venue with experienced judges and referees, I dont even think Froch finishes the fight.
     
  9. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Andre Dirrell never turned his back on any of Froch flurries. Most of Froch's rabbit punches came in the clinch or when Dirrell was ducking his punches. In the 8th round Froch even looks at the back of Dirrells head and throws a punch at it. :rofl
     
  10. Cobbler

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    That's because, aside from you (and possibly Danny_Rand, if you're actually not the same person), no-one actually cares that much. The fight was five months ago. Apart from you, no-one wants to watch it again. If you really want to see scorecards, there were plenty of threads at the time. Do you know how to use the search function?

    No, that's another example that supports what I said. Mayweather fought a smart fight and always looked in control. Mayweather knows what the judges are seeing and how to best present his work to them. If Dirrell had fought like Mayweather did in those rounds he would have got the decision.
     
  11. anarci

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    I thought there would be outrage on this decision i remember being disgusted after the fight probably as bad as Guzman FUneka. Both fights were 2 of the worst i had seen in a while, I had the fight 117-111 Dirrell
     
  12. MichiganWarrior

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    There was outrage the night of the fight, like there always is during a controversial decision, the vast majority had Dirrell winning, even on the Brit forum it was something like 60-40. But Dirrell wasnt supposed to be here. He didnt "deserve" to be in the super six.

    infact many were saying the same thing they are now saying about Abraham vs Dirrell, Froch was just gonna walk threw him, dominate and stop him.

    The only thing that pisses me off is that it kind of takes away from Dirrell vs Ward. If they both win their next fight, it could have been 2 olympic champions fighting to unify the belts. That would have been some top class promotion. A bit like Roy Jones vs Hopkins only difference is people knowing how good their potential is this time around.

    Instead the Slobra gets to act like he's the champion for another few months and I wouldnt put it past him possiby stopping mentally weak Kessler.

    And given that, that could mean even Dirrell wins his next 2 fights he could be out of the super six based on H2H.
     
  13. ricardinho

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    116 to 112 Direll as he made Froch look real bad.
     
  14. anarci

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    No i recall that i was more outraged than most of ESB or stupid Al Bernstein who acted like the fight could have gone either way. Even Tarver didnt make a big deal out of the decision. I believe the writers were pretty split, the fight was not even close imo.
    Anyways im tempted to big Dirrell against Abraham i think he has the style to frustrate Abraham, But then again Abraham has much better hand speed than Froch and also hits harder im thinking eventually he might get to Dirrell in this one and Ko him. Dirrells chin is still kind of suspect, Froch just didnt get there. Im gonna in the middle hear havent made a decision on who im picking:think:think:think

    About Jones and Hopkins well Jones was already regarded as a future star. And Hopkins as best kept secret, but hard core boxing fans new that Hopkins also had a bright future.
     
  15. VanillaKilla

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol: Thats a pretty bad response.....

    Funny how the guy you quoted described exactly what happned in the fight.... punch for punch...

    and you just respond with your biased opinion :lol::lol::lol:

    You and dirrell must train in the same gym or somthing