Wow! The Evidence of Floyd Mayweather's Cherry Picking is Overwhelming

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  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    i would say both Judah and Hatton were legit top10 Welters despite their losses to Baldomir and Collazo. Borderline though
     
  2. kirk

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    again though...

    He has not defended his belt against a top 10 legit welter

    Judah had already lost that title to baldomir (who went on again to lose to every other top 10 ranked fighter hes fought since)

    Baldomir was the champion at 147 when mayweather beat him... his fights after baldomir were

    Hatton - he had already went back down and fought twice since being at 147, being over then a year since being at that weight, he was not a top 10 welterweight

    Hoya - no explenation needed

    those were his defenses....

    But i would like to add that no doubt, hatton was a good win, but the fact remains that floyd didnt defend his title (be it the ring title, linear title, or just plain reputation as the man) against a LEGIT top 10 147lber.
     
  3. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He meant that since winning the "lineal" welterweight claim (which would mean when he beat Baldomir) Mayweather has not risked it against a top 10 welter.

    I would question calling Hatton a top tenner at 147. In his only fight at the weight, he won a razor thin SD over another fighter who is a questionable top tenner (who didn't even belong in the same ring with Shane Mosley not long after that), and then ran back down to 140 for another year or so anyway.
     
  4. PH|LLA

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    i don't rate Floyd as high as most people, but still i never thought Hatton had any shot at beating Floyd. I thought Hatton's win over Tszyu was iffy at best. That he was unimpressive against Urango, and that he was downright bad againt Collazo, who got his ass kicked against Mosley. I also thought Castillo got a gift in his fight before Hatton, and that against Hatton he didn't even try.

    At 140, Hatton was a top player, at 147 he was just a fringe contender who barely managed to cherrypick a paper title.
     
  5. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Kirk speaks the truth! As long as some floyd fans kid the ass or constantly back others, they will always think they are the ONLY real fans.
     
  6. Brian123

    Brian123 ESB WORLD CHAMPION Full Member

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    Yep and Henry Brussels and Victoriano Sosa has most of those wins against VERY poor opposition.

    Again for the detractor of this data (gotta love how Mayweather fans are actually trying to argue that the stats and numbers are wrong/slanted!) if you go back further the level of opponents are worse.

    This coupled with the fact he never fought a top ten welterweight are damning enough evidence of Mayweather picking (do I smell cherries?) fighters that were clearly declining.
    We know Mayweather wanted to fight Hatton at welterweight because Hatton had done so poorly previously. So that leaves his only two fights at welterweight (we all know he refused to fight Cotto and Margarito) to judge Mayweather on: Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir. Baldomir was a 35 year old, 4-1 underdog (I can't name another beltholder with 9 losses-can any of you Mayweather fans?) he came into the fight with 9 losses-obviously a weak-ripe for the picking beltholder!

    So we move to Judah (the best welterweight Mayweather has fought) he had lost his last fight coming into this one, we all know that for Judah to be the best welterweight Mayweather has ever faced speaks volumes about weak the opponents have been in general.
     
  7. moneymayweather

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    lets move to the fact that you don't know what the hell your talking about.

    first off Mayweather tried to fight Hatton when he was at 140 and Hattons camp said he wasn't ready.. Same thing happened with Cotto when they were both at 140.

    the only reason he even moved WW in the first place was he was chasing DLH..

    by the way he also fought Sharmba Mitchell at Welterweight but due to your lack of boxing knowledge I wouldn't expect you to know that. Baldomir and Judah were both lineal champs. Judah was lineal champ and Baldomir beat him, which postponed a Floyd fight so that Floyd could Baldomir. He then took on Judah because people said it was a fluke that Judah lost to Baldomir. And as far as Hatton, who gives a **** what weight that fight happened at he still woulda put that ****in midget face first into the ring post.

    when PBF moved to WW, Cotto was still at junior WW. Margarito signature win was against Cintron, he still to this day only has one solid win in my eyes and thats against Cotto.
     
  8. kirk

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    i just skimmed through your post but just real quick i notice you said mayweather fought baldomir then he fought judah... mayweather didnt fight baldomir before he fought judah, he fought judah coming off the loss to baldomir, then fought baldomir... not that it changes your point, was just pointing it out though.
     
  9. moneymayweather

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    yea your right i got mixed up there. people criticized him for takin judah first because baldomir was the lineal champ and judah had just lost to him... thanks for catchin that..
     
  10. PH|LLA

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    I believe PBF is still riding high off his destruction of Corrales who was #5 p4p when Floyd fought him.

    Sometimes 1 great win is enough to keep you in the limelight forever. In fact, if Pacquiao had cherrypicked his way after destroying Barrera, and had never fought JMM and Morales, people would rate him higher than they do today. Much higher.
     
  11. Brian123

    Brian123 ESB WORLD CHAMPION Full Member

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    I was not clear, but just taking them in order of worse to best IMO, not by the calender. These two represent his biggest wins (not Sharmba Mitchell-though if you Mayweather fans think that's a great win have at it) and the point is the same: they have been terrible ever since and have no quality wins.
     
  12. Brian123

    Brian123 ESB WORLD CHAMPION Full Member

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    Ah, SO that's why he dodged the best at welterweight!
     
  13. moneymayweather

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    the only fighter that a legitmate claim to fight floyd before he retired was Cotto. noone else had done enough, Margarito had losses to Santos and Paul Williams, he didn't beat Cotto until after PBF retired. Williams had a win over Margarito but lost to Quintana shortly after PBF-Hatton. Cotto is the only one that had done enough to be mentioned in the same sentence as Floyd..

    People who make this arguement love to forget the fact that Hatton was P4P #2 to most people in the world..
     
  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Once again you only tell half the truth. PBF offered Hatton a fight back when both were at 140 but Hatton declined, blame Hatton. Why the **** are you trying to act as if PBF didn't make the offer at 140? Let me guess to push your hate filled agenda? The truth is weight had no bearing in that fight. PBF isn't a huge WW like Margo and came in on fight night at around 149 and Hatton weighed more than PBF did. The weight wasn't a factor PBF is a stylistic nightmare for Hatton and would always beat a reckless and wide open guy like him.:deal Like I posted earlier I could do this for Margo, Cotto, hatton or Williams. This is a pathetic attempt to try and tarnish one of the best fighters of the last 25 years.
     
  15. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Castillo was considered the best fighter at 135. Did he cherry pick him too you buffoon? :rofl