Wow...Ward is now blatantly ducking Bute

I'm talking about boxing REVENUE, is that a difficult word for some people to understand? Bigger advertisers, more money to the venue, gambling, taxes, tourists, etc. etc.

On top of that the venue, if negotiated into the contract, gets a piece of the PPV as well. Of which I am certain the MGM does. So GTFOH

First off, stop stalking me.

Second, who said that I was a big Ward fan. It's all you jingoistic idiots talking up Bute and your country like it matters in the boxing world. atsch

 

If you pro-rate all the revenues generated by all Bute & Pascal fights throughout the year, and come up with an average figure per fight; you stack that figure up against the average one obtained from the mean of all world class fights in (wherever - LV, NYC, AC). Gate numbers are real good in QC, you can't argue that. PPV money is all HBO & SHO as Laffie explained.

Pascal's (lack of) intelligent offense and (lack of) stamina would give an edge to Bute when they meet. IMO Bute wins a close UD or gets a late stoppage, but "Pascal beats Bute easily" is just out of this world.

 

I think that for this time, Interbox has a good strategy: OK, Ward don't want us, so we have other lucrative opportunities. Think also that Goosen is suddenly a little more open to what Buté-Interbox said. As the tournament is now close, Ward has not so much possibilties. If Kessler don't want to return in U.S.... HBO or Showtime, not sure that they don't want to pay for Ward-Hopkins. I think also that Ward has not a seller's style; yes, the man wins but I am not sure that he will catch big audiences.

At this time, only Buté is ready to go to Oakland. Ask Kessler, Dirrell or Froch if they want to fight Ward in Oakland? It shows that Buté has high self- confidence.


Seems that Ward want to protect his titles.

 

atsch

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. Again, DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR (which what matters), compare Bute's single fight revenue in Montreal to Miguel Cotto in NYC. Guess which one generates more money? Are you that dense?

Yeah, never mind the strength and weight differences. Pascal is stronger than Bute, especially in his own 175 pound weight class. He also has fast hands, can throw quick stinging combos, and has a very sturdy chin. He more than likely even learned from the Hopkins defeat to better conserve his energy. Bute gassed against much lesser opponents in late rounds, at 175 pounds his stamina could be even worse.

BTW, you stating Lemieux would beat Rubio "easily" was the one statement that turned out to be "out of this world", didn't it?

 

I think what Ward is saying is all part of the negociations. There's not a better and more meaningfull fight for Ward at 168. But he wants it in his own terms.

 

WTF does Cotto in NYC have to do with what I brought up?!?? Why does it matter that the one Cotto fight trumps the one Bute fight for revenues?

Read my post again, and explain to me how the specific Bute #'s vs Cotto #'s comparison matters here.

"More than likely" - bwahahaha. Did you say the same thing before the rematch?

Bute is a big 168. He'll be at 175 at some point in 2013 IMO. You have nothing backing up a sudden 'decrease in stamina'.

If that's all you got to say "Pascal beats Bute easily", you won't go far. :?

 

You don't go undefeated in the Super 6 Tournament and then duck Lucian Bute in the same year ..Thats just not even worth discussing !

 

Like I said, you don't understand simple economics. Here's a suggestion, don't get into debates regarding topics you have absolutely no idea about.

WTF does Cotto in NYC have to do with what I brought up?!?? Why does it matter that the one Cotto fight trumps the one Bute fight for revenues?

Ahahahahahhahahahahaha. What's sad is that you probably don't even understand why those statements are funny.

Just like a groupie, you've got nothing of substance for reasoning. You simply HOPE Bute wins, not because you've logically assessed a set of criteria to form an unbiased opinion. "You won't go far" with that kind of reasoning. OH wait, you were all ready exposed in your "Liemieux will smash Rubio easily" ramblings :rofl :rofl :rofl

 

Talk about having nothing of substance for reasoning. You can't explain why you get hung up on a Cotto vs Bute revenue comparison when we're talking average revenue figures for a given number of fights in a given city. Take the mean of revenues associated with each of the fights involving world top 10's that happened in NYC and Montreal, and you get a pro-rated revenue per fighter. Bute vs Cotto revenues has no direct effect to the outcome when you think there are several other high profile fights to consider in the pro-rated numbers.

Laugh all you want, you missed out completely here.

"Lemieux will smash Rubio easily" is something I never said. Who the **** are you bringing up fake opinions from 8 months ago?!?? :blood

I had Lemieux by KO before the 6th, and was proven wrong. So ****in what, you deluded useless piece of ****?

 

From what I am understanding of what Ward is saying, in his honest opinion, he feels that Bute has been fighting B and C class fighters, by this he means while Ward has fought A fighters, who were actually proven when he fought them, Bute hasn't fought any one of note aside of Johnson. Ward said he would sit down with his team for the best fight[money wise]. He said if the deal is right, he'd fight Bute, but that he doesn't believe Bute deserves it. So he'd fight him without really wanting to fight him, because he'd rather fight proven fighters. That's what I think Ward is saying. At this point, Kessler is still more proven than Bute. Although I much rather see Ward vs Bute.


Plus, look at it this way...If Ward fights Kessler, it's gonna be only if Kessler beats Stieglitz for the WBO title, which he probably will. So Ward vs Kessler II will be for the WBC/WBA/WBO/The Ring SMW titles, if everything goes according to plan. Then you have Froch vs Bute, supposedly two fights, for Bute's paper IBF title, the winner of Ward-Kessler II will fight the winner of Bute-Froch for every major title at SMW including The Ring title. When was the last time this happened in any weight class? So I rather be patient and wait. Sure Ward can fight Bute now for the IBF, and then Kessler for the WBO and still unify regardless. But Ward vs Bute has to marinate, plus the "Undefeated" thing always sells. So it would be undefeated records on the line as well as all the titles on the line.

 

The fallacy here is that you fail to see the flaws in your own logic. Even following your criteria verbatim, it DISPROVES your statement! That's quite hilarious! :rofl

You dared to compare the revenue boxing brings in Montreal on per fighter basis against Las Vegas, I called you on it. Now you're conveniently side stepping the issue. I even used an average home town fighter (Cotto) in one of the less common boxing stadiums (Madison Square Garden), didn't even touch Las Vegas or someone with the star power of Floyd Mayweather. I showed you Montreal doesn't even come CLOSE to matching Madison Square Garden for a hometown fighter like MIguel Cotto.

Even if play that bull**** "pro-rated revenue" (BTW do you even know what pro-rated means? It has absolutely no relation to this discussion) misconceived thought of yours, the averages STILL FAVOR Las Vegas, Atlantic City, Madison Square Garden, etc...

The point is you're promoting the same rambunctious ramblings, hard headed to any counter thought offered by others, but this time applied to Bute. You have no real rational argument, just a "hope and pray" see approach typical of groupies like yourself.

 

Ward just won a tournament involving the supposed best of the best in the weight division decisively, I say he deserves to go for an easier fight for now.

 

To suggest Pascal beats Bute is simply ******ed, as I've said for a what seems like my entire life...Pascal ****ing sucks breh. I mean let's be real, dudes style is horrid, his stamina is embarrassing, he wears "skinny jeans", and he lacks any real technical game. Great athlete but just not to pin hopes on...IMO.

 

if it all plays out as you say and ward and bute are both undefeated...has anything like this ever happened before!?

 

Exposed,

Your fallacy is assuming that drozzy USES logic. He doesn't. Everything he says is based on a pure emotional love for Bute. He is almost anti-logic.

Conversations with him are useless.......

Keith