Wow, What A Fix - Brian Nielson vs. Lionel Butler (Video)

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Doesn't get much more deliberate then that, folks.

    Now I can understand how Nielson's promoter was seriously investigated for fixing fights.
     
  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Butler was seriousy fat, and clearly had not bothered to train, that is what happens when you get hit to the body.

    Butler was a disgrace, condition wise, but I do not think it was a fix.
     
  3. aj415

    aj415 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Looked like the straight right landed on the solar plexus.. and his reaction would fit the billing.
     
  4. WhataRock

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    There have been some bizarre endings to fights out of Denmark to tell you the truth.

    Those punches do hurt though, take the wind right out of ya.
     
  5. Russell

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    Butler was always huge, even when he was performing well and sparking the likes of Tony Tubbs.

    He was almost 300 pounds against Purlette and damned near knocked him out in the last fight of his career.

    Is the weight also making Butler act like it's a sparring match, or was that the extra money the promoter promised him? :lol:
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    I think he looks in good shape against Tubbs at 226 pounds.
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    And I think conditioning was always Butler's problem, I was very disappointed when he came into that "WBC eliminator" with Lennox Lewis at 260 pounds.

    Still, whether the Nielsen punch to the belly hurt him or not, he certainly looked like he was going through the motions from the opening bell.
     
  7. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a left hook well south of the border at 2:39 which did the trick. The final right to the body was nothing at all. I don't understand the fix talk. It was an obvious foul which was not called. Are you guys implying the referee was paid to look the other way? Possibly, but Nielsen does what the old time dirty fighters like Harry Greb always said to do. Follow up your foul punch with a flurry to confuse the issue and fool the ref.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    A slim 0-1 Butler fought Riddick Bowe in Bowe's pro debut. I'm not sure what amateur experience Butler had, probably minimal (if any), and Bowe was of course an amateur champion and Olympic silver medallist.
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  9. Woller

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    For starters please spell his name right = Brian Nielsen.

    A lot of owerweight and undertrained americans came to Denmark (and rest of Europe) looking for at soft spot to have a nap.

    I never heard of Brian Nielsens promotor being "Seriously investigated"

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  10. CottoDaBodykill

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    wouldn't have been so bad if he kept putting his arms down taking shots to see which one was good enough to go down on
     
  11. DamonD

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    Butler retired for 4 years after this loss, he just didn't really give a damn about his conditioning or the sport in general at this point. Tried a comeback, won a few, culminating in rattling Purlette before losing, and that was it.

    Butler had no amateur experience. Before Bowe, he'd had one fight and that was against Phil Jackson (also too good for him at that point). Butler arguably had some of the worst matchmaking this side of Oleg Maskaev, got thrown to the wolves for a payday a lot.

    I have a copy of Bowe-Butler already, it's quite fun...they both get in some good licks in the first round, kinda wild. Bowe's class tells in the second though.
     
  12. TBooze

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    Butler had a run, that turned him from a losing Journeyman to an alphabet contender, but when he was given the opportunity to shine (against the comebacking Lewis; who certainly had some demons going into the fight), Butler could not be bothered, and wasted his chance.

    That summed up Butler perfectly, he did not need to be paid to lose, he would nearly always find a way to blow it himself, when the pressure was on.

    When things started to get hot, Butler raided the fridge.
     
  13. Russell

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    More controversy arose in early 2004, when journeyman heavyweight Thomas Williams revealed that he had been bribed to throw his fight against Nielsen in March, 2000. Along with promoter Robert Mitchell, Williams was indicted by the United States District Court for the District of Nevada for match fixing in order to promote the career of white heavyweight hope Richie Melito, and it was during the FBI's investigation of that case that Williams admitted to intentionally losing to Nielsen. The fix was arranged by promoter Robert Mittleman, a frequent associate of Nielsen's promoter Mogens Palle, who later confessed that he had been paid $1,000, while Williams had received "up to $40,000" from Palle in order to lose the fight. Williams, Mitchell and Mittleman were all found guilty of sports bribery by the court in November and December, 2004.[3][4]


    Thanks Wikipedia!


    Care to revise your statement? :cool:
     
  14. TBooze

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    Well then it must be true!
     
  15. Russell

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