Wow, Wilder does many things wrong.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Mar 8, 2018.


  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    No fightet is perfect. Wilder has the skills and talent to make up for his technical flaws.

    Wilder is the most athletic HW at the moment, and possibly the hardest puncher.
     
  2. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal:
     
  3. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Right hand has got him out of trouble so far but eventually it won't..

    He relies on his reflexes as opposed to technique to keep him safe and those have peaked and will only slow as he gets older (i.e. RJJ), now is his time and he knows that...

    As his reflexes slow he will get tagged as he needs to react to the other fighter to land...
     
  4. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    They don't matter because this HW era is awful. As good as Ortiz was he was still never even in top shape. In any other era Wilder would get sparked. His technique is the worst ever in HW champs.
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You should watch more orthodox vs. southpaw fights. He was parrying with his jab to occupy and try to find a way around Ortiz’s right ... and Ortiz was doing much the same thing.

    Right-handers who have success against southpaws generally do so with the right hand and left hook, not the jab. That’s because the southpaw’s right is in the path of the jab and it’s difficult to land. Surely you know this.

    Yet he landed more jabs and more effective jabs than Ortiz, although neither man accomplished a heck of a lot with the jab.

    Wilder has had eight title fights now. Two against lefties. He didn’t start slow against Stiverne (either time), Arreola, Duhaupas or Molina, and in those fights (not against lefties) his jab was effective.

    He obviously has trouble with southpaws, as many fighters do. Szpilka had a in-and-out game plan ... run in and throw a couple of quick punches and retreat. It worked for a while and Wilder gradually got the timing.

    As for Washington, he lost three of the first four rounds and took him out in the fifth. Now, ask yourself: what’s the scouting report on Washington? He is strong and dangerous early and runs out of gas. So why engage him early and give him his only chance to win? I agree Wilder could and should have done more in the early rounds, but it would have been foolish to not be cautious in the first few rounds against a guy you KNOW is going to get tired.

    Ortiz is a very good fighter. Big, powerful, 300-plus amateur fights in his background and very technically sound. Plus he’s a lefty. Difficult proposition for anyone.

    One more counter to your points: you say he’s out of position to counter ... yet the sequence that ended with Ortiz getting KTFO started with Wilder landing a right-hand counter. The knockout of Szpilka was a one-punch counter. So the evidence suggest you’re mistaken.

    Wilder is flawed. But he has athleticism and length and speed (this rarely gets acknowledged) and somehow he keeps knocking people out. You can talk about his opposition and, if you choose to be intellectually dishonest, declare that Ortiz is a bum and he still hasn’t fought anyone. But if Wilder is as awful as you seem to thnk and a lot of others say, it shouldn’t take an Anthony Joshua to defeat him. If a guy is terrible and only the guy you think is the best heavyweight in the world can do anything about it, I’d say he’s not really that terrible.

    I am in no way comparing Wilder to Ali or saying he’s as good as Ali when I say this, but you can pick apart Ali ... hands low, lays on the ropes, no body punches, really no left hook, doesn’t set his feet to punch ... and yet the things he was great at offset all those deficiencies. So far, Wilder’s strengths have prevailed.

    Yes, one day he’ll lose. He’ll probably get knocked out. Pretty much everybody does.
     
  6. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Joshua will knock Wilder out and Fury will toy with him. Wilder is a knockout that is going to happen. Ortiz was cheated out of a knockout by Haymon's referee and Haymn's judges were judging the fight for Wilder although Ortiz was winning every round except two, there needs to be a rematch ASAP!
     
  7. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder does many things wrong and all fighters are undefeated until they lose. Usually ones with gaudiest records face the weakest opposition. Wilder has one good win Ortiz. I won’t take it away - to be fair -is to say Ortiz is a skilled heavyweight with a solid chin that is past prime.
    Heck I will even concede Stiverne as “good” barely as he fought nobody and somehow fought Arreola and in his next fight Arreola again but for a vacant belt vacated by the vastly superior Vitali.
    Molina should never have been in the ring for a title bout. Arreola at that stage should never have been anywhere near a title bout. Stiverne 2 should never have been anywhere near a title bout - as mando- it was shameful.
    Szpilka either. Duhupas has done decent post Wilder but again he was picked out of nowhere. And Washington has done nothing.
    To me these were all red flags that wilder was coddled and Wilder still hasn’t impressed me with skill or technical ability. I’ll give him credit for heart, being in shape, and having a good right hand.
    The division is in a state of flux right now, for me Wilder is 3rd best fighter but he has a chance if he can beat Joshua to be top dog. But if he faces legit threats his reign won’t be long. Too many mistakes.
     
  8. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    You made some fair points and actually seem to be a smart Wilder fan.

    How many rounds did it take him to counter with something decent?

    As I said, despite having very good length, speed, and power, Wilder can not box. Mid-level top 40-20 opponents have proved this, not once but twice, and Ortiz ( a top 10 guy ) on a fair scorecard was in the lead leading up to round ten.

    Ortiz was good, past tense. How much he had left at age 38-41 is anyone's guess, he was much better 3-4 years ago. Wilder would not fight " that guy. " If he did, he would have lost.

    Watching the fight, Wilder was very gun shy to engage vs. Ortiz and will be the same vs. Joshua, or anyone with top power. And to be intellectually honest, Wilder fought dirty landing shots behind the head and got an extra break front the ref to check him out without a cut or injury. Did Ortiz's southpaw stance throw Wilder's jab off a bit, you can say that ( I say he was gun shy ), but you also know landing the right is easier on a Southpaw and that's Wilder's best punch.

    Ortiz was Wilder's best win by far, but the actual value of this win will hinge on what Ortiz does next. If he loses to a lesser man than Wilder, some of the lusters will go.

    Will it take someone to Joshua's level to beat Wilder? I say no just a good guy in his prime who won't gas out while ahead on the cards. That's it. At age 32 Wilder is as good as he is going to get.
     
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