Wow, words from somebody that was actually at the hearing !!!

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I have nothing against Lampley, but he seemed to have an agenda during the Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito fight. Clearly he hasn't gotten over it.
     
  2. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    :yep
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I hate Margo for being billed as the most feared man in boxing and not having the skills to back it up. The guy was nothing more than a big WW with plodding footwork and could take a punch that's it nothing more nothing less:deal Not worthy of the hype and it pissed me off because people couldn't or refused to see it.:deal When he finally faced someone with out his loaded gloves he was quickly schooled, beaten down and KTFO. I don't even like Shane anymore haven't since he left 135 but I'm thankful that he exposed Margo's limited and cheating ass. So this avatar is showing my appreciation for his work.
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Again, how do you expect to be taken seriously when you open up your statement with "I hate Margo". This already proves you have an agenda against him, therefore all of your opinions on this matter should be disregarded entirely.
     
  5. Capitan

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    What initially took place on the night of January 24, 2009 was supposed to be routine. As is standard before a bout, a deputy is assigned to each fighter. This deputy’s job is to be with that fighter and observe him from the time he enters the arena to the time he is handed over to the doctors following the bout. They are in the dressing room and are charged with observing all preparations, including the hand wrapping process. In Margarito’s case, his deputy was Che Guevara, a veteran of some “150 fights.” Prior to having his hands wrapped, Guevara informed Mosley’s head trainer Naazim Richardson that the process was about to begin and Richardson, as per the rules, came into the Margarito dressing room to observe Javier Capetillo prepare Margarito’s hands. From the get go, Richardson objected to Capetillo’s use of tape directly on Margarito’s hands. Guevara informed Richardson that this was allowed per the CSAC’s rules. However, where Capetillo was placing the tape on the wrist was a subject of debate. Following two attempts (the second of which was discarded because Capetillo had used too much tape and was “crisscrossing the tape” which is again, against the rules of the CSAC), Capetillo finally met Richardson’s and the inspector’s standards. Thus, the right hand of Margarito was wrapped though not inspected and initialized, as is the custom. Mr. Guevara stated that he prefers both hands be wrapped before he finishes signing off on them.

    Capetillo then began to work on the left hand. When it was time, he grabbed the knuckle pad (a wrapped piece of gauze bandage made into a pad to protect a fighters’ knuckles) and began to put it in place on Margarito’s hand. At this time, Richardson asked to inspect the pad with his own two hands. Richardson, according to Guevara, felt an irregularity and the inspector then felt the pad for himself. Inside, chief athletic inspector Dean Lohuis found a hidden layer of tightly wrapped gauze that looked according to Guevara, “old and used. Tightly wrapped.”

    “It was not hard as rock,” he said. “But firmer than regular gauze. There was old, dried blood on it. It was not consistent with new gauze.” It also felt “wet.”

    Only Inspector Mike Bray described the pad as having a “white substance on it. I touched the substance and it was hard to the touch. It looked like a plast caster or maybe a thicker type of white out that you use for paper. I then placed the pad in a box to maintain custody of the pad.”

    Under the unified rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions, which are used for all bouts and are consistent with most commission’s rules regarding hand wrapping, no water or foreign substance may be applied to the wraps.

    At this point, Richardson asked that the right hand wrap be removed. Capetillo, already “agitated” (a description used by the testifying inspectors Mike Bray, Che Guevara, as well as David Perada) by Richardson dictating to him about how to wrap his fighter’s hands, protested. At this point, according to the testimony of the inspectors, Margarito raised his right hand and offered his right hand to be inspected. According to the deputies, Margarito said in broken English, “Look at my hand. Feel it. There is nothing in it.” Margarito, in his testimony, would refute that, citing he does not speak English, though he acknowledged he did hold up his hand for inspection and offered it willingly.

    Dean Lohuis, Mike Bray, and Richardson conferred about removing the right hand wrap for inspection. Lohuis asked Guevara as well as inspector David Perada, who was also present, if the hand had been signed off on. When it was determined it had not been properly inspected, the wrap was removed and thrown on a table behind Capetillo. A second, similar hidden knuckle pad was then discovered. It was also placed in the box.

    The box of pads, its contents estimated by the inspectors to have been touched by at 7-10 people at this point, was then taken to Mosley’s dressing room. It was then handled by Mosley’s lawyer, Richardson again, and another unnamed party. Mosley’s lawyer and Richardson then photographed the pads. The box, which was open on one side, was taped shut and signed by Dean Lohuis at the request of Mosley’s attorney. The box was then given to Lohuis. It was then passed on to Bruce Rasmussen, whose job that evening was to hold all the fighters’ urine samples in a sealed bag. He was given the box for safekeeping. Upon receiving the box, he returned to the commission officials room, where he allowed the “8-10” deputies present to inspect the pad, at least 3 of whom “reached in and did a pinch-type thing with the pads inside the box.” Though Mr. Rasmussen expressed regret that he allowed such crucial evidence to be handled in this way, it was an act he did not inform Lohuis of when he put the box back in Lohuis’ possession to go “attend to my urine duties.”

    When allowed to testify with the use of an interpreter, Capetillo was contrite, taking full responsibility for what he repeatedly referred to as “a mistake.” He repeatedly claimed that he explained that his training bag is used by many of his fighters in the gym. That they will throw in dirty, wet clothing, used gloves, and used hand wraps. He described the hand wraps that he used as “wraps of another, young fighter.” They are used in the gym for protection when “hitting the bag”. Capetillo claimed that in the “confusion and chaos” of the argument over the taping of Margarito’s hands, he became flustered and “innocently grabbed the wrong things. I put the wrong things on.”

    Capetillo, who was not allowed to inspect the pads the night of the fight, claimed that when he was allowed to see the evidence the night before the hearing, realized at that moment what had happened.

    “It came from the gym,” he explained. “They threw it in my bag at the gym. When I went to see what I was accused of, that’s when I realized.”

    Capetillo did acknowledge that the hardened pads would do more damage had they not been found by the commission.

    “You pay for your mistakes,” he said. “That’s why I’m here. I’m human. I make mistakes just like you do. That’s why I’m here.”

    “I’m here,” he continued, “I made a big mistake. I want to right the mistake. I take full responsibility. I did not cheat. It was a mistake. I feel badly for Antonio because he didn’t even know what was going on. Why am I going to hurt him? I’m the one who made a mistake.”

    Margarito denied any knowledge or wrongdoing. I don’t feel I cheated,” he said, “I feel bad. I have never been in a situation like this.”

    He cited that he has always paid attention to how his hands are wrapped and claimed that Capetillo has been his sole hand wrapper during their 11 year career together. During the hearing, he saw the pads for the first time.

    “It just looks old. I don’t believe it is anything,” he said.

    But upon touching the pads he acknowledged, “It does feel like something.”

    Ultimately the commission ruled against Capetillo. Commission member Christopher Giza, M.D. who entered the motions against both men, cited in regards to Capetillo “I can understand making a mistake [with one hand], but how do you make the same mistake twice?”

    In regards to Margarito, Giva cited CSAC rule 390, which states that a boxer can be suspended or revoked for any conduct damaging to the sport of boxing. “What can be worse?” he asked.

    “Ultimately,” he said, “the athlete is responsible for his team, his equipment, and what he puts in his body. You and [Capetillo] worked together for 11 years. You traveled the world together, Capetillo says he has wrapped your hands the same way every time. What other conclusion can we make?”

    Following the hearing, Margarito made no comment to the media but stayed for quite awhile, signing autographs and posing for pictures with his young fans.

    His promoter, Bob Arum, however was not in a smiling mood.

    “It’s atrocious,” the Harvard educated lawyer said of the decision. “As a lawyer, I’m offended. I believe in the law and in justice. How do you convict a man without any evidence? Everyone concedes that there is no evidence. To revoke a man on a technicality is horrendous.”

    When asked by this writer if the sentence would overturned should the test results come back favorable for Margarito in Mid-March, Chairman Timothy Noonan answered “No,” claiming that because the gauze was wet, nothing would be changed.

    Arum stated that Margarito’s lawyer would file a writ with the California Superior Court and has plans to try and get Margarito licensed elsewhere in the United States. If not, he will promote Margarito in his home country of Mexico.[/quote]

    And you said all of that to prove that margie is guilty. Thanks for making my point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Don't know if it was plaster or brass knuckles....however it was illegal.
    Cheating Pato.
     
  6. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    damn, SO A GROWN ASS MAN LIKE YOURSELF hates a fighter because of the way HIS PROMOTER built him up....what do you want arum to do, that's his job.....

    what has margo personally done to make you hate him, the man is class and all he ever did was go up to floyd and ask him for a chance, a chance that your man promised but never kept his word....
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I can probably answer that question for you. Once Mayweather left the game, it was Margarito who was the star of the show. He resented Margarito and still does for being talked about when he thought a more talented and skilled fighter in Mayweather Jr deserved to be the talking point. It just added insult to injury when Floyd was accused of ducking him.

    He has no real reason for hating him.
     
  8. papolamuerte

    papolamuerte Yo soy La Muerte! Full Member

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    I propose that this whole argument between Freedy and Pimp C be settle in the ring with the winner taking on selfkill........:yep
     
  9. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    but it's true, floyd did duck him...i mean, there's evidence everywhere...do i think he was scared, NO
    do i think he knew margo was a threat, maybe but floyd wont admit that....at the end of the day, floyd did what was right financially, but that doesn't erase the steps he took, and people he avoided to get there....they're just facts, something floydboys cant live with
     
  10. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    pimp c on roids, and me with blood staind cinderblocks in my gloves :lol:
    with your puerto rican ass reffing :rofl
     
  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I hate to generalize, but the majority of Floyd Mayweather Jr fanboys have trouble expressing themselves without sounding like thugs. Just so this does not upset any fans of Floyd, there is a clear distinction between being a fan of the man and a fan-boy.
     
  12. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    i know bro, but what can we do...
     
  13. papolamuerte

    papolamuerte Yo soy La Muerte! Full Member

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    :rofl

    I will be Joe Cortez that night....:yep
     
  14. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    you better not be, i just might accidentally punch you in the jaw :yep
     
  15. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh my god !!! how can you sit there with straight fingers and even type that **** ?!?!? Rebuttal any and all evidence against Margarito, because the media is full of **** !!! but the media is right on when it comes to Floyd :patsch


    After this thread , you should be the last person calling anyone a FloydBoys or Floyd nut swingers, you should just not do it .