Wrestlers SUCK in the UFC

Ah, gotcha. I am not sure how fair of a comparison that is. Overeem had a very extensive MMA career and he fought absolute killers over the years.
Didn´t Overeem come off of PED´s some time after the Rothwell KO loss? He still managed to put together a decent run and almost took out Stipe. And he beat quite a few ranked guys after the Stipe fight. BUT! By this time the division was pretty crap and most of the big names were past their best, like Overeem.

Pereira benefits from the fact that he is only facing strikers, not that there are that many guys around him who are good at wrestling. I really, really want to see that Ankalaev fight. But then again, Ankalaev said he would beat Pereira with his standup and I fully believe him being dumb enough to try.
DDP said he is open to moving up. Now THAT would be a really fun fight.

 

If there is any division for someone being ‘past it’ due to age that doesn’t really correlate in MMA it’s heavyweight. The Overeem win is still solid on Francis resume, considering he’d had what, 15 fights at that point? Probably less

Also with the Ankalaev situation and I hate that this is a valid point. He clearly has visa issues, he’s calling out Alex saying he’ll fight him any place any time, but that simply isn’t the truth. 1. Alex is the face of the UFC right now, there’s not really any disputing that. 2. Ankalaev clearly has similair visa issues to some of the other Eastern European based fighters at the moment, that only seem to want to fight on Dubai or Saudi cards where that isn’t an issue.

While in an ideal world, they should be fighting each other next sadly it isn’t that simple. It’s nowhere near as bad as boxing in that sense, but sadly there are still obstacles at the moment.

Why should the face of the UFC who is 37/38 have to bow down to Ankalaev’s visa demands when he wants to stay active, make a lot of ****ing money which also benefits the UFC.

Not having a go here, just showing it isn’t that simple which is a real damn shame because that fight would be bloody epic!

 

HWs remain good much longer than the other weight classes. You even have Kongos hitting their prime at like 44-45. Cro Cop only had to stop in his late 40s because he had this really specific neck thing.

 

Aspinall passes the eye test for sure, but hes in a weak era and his competition hasnt been anything special so far so its hard to know exactly how good he really is.

Lol Khabib was already fighting in 2010. As were GSP, Jones, Aldo and Mighty Mouse who were all as or more skilled than Khabib. The evolution stuff is way overstated.

By the time Reem was 37 he'd had like 20 more fights (between MMA and kickboxing) than Poatan.

Its pretty ****ing debateable that Poatan hits harder than that roided up 265+ K1 winning version of Reem too. Also even on a p4p level Melvin Manhoef was around in 2010 and he hit hard as ****.

 

All good and well, but I don´t think Overeem was anywhere close to his best. Ffs, he had 10 losses via T/KO while Ngannou had 11 fights in total . One was a true veteran on the wrong side of 35 and the other was a fast rising, inexperienced prospect with ridiculous power.

 

Khabib would like a word....

 

I think the problem is that everyone thinks they know about throwing hands and feet, and it makes a great spectacle, but few know, really know, about grappling skills. Watching a wrestler dominate someone isn't exciting unless you know what you are watching, or better, have experience of grappling yourself. Grappling with a high level operative is one of the single most physical and psychological energy draining things you will ever do. The feeling is akin to drowning, a suffocating, claustrophobic vulnerability that exhausts you physically and mentally. That skill is debilitating and conclusive when it is applied skillfully and it is a more psychologically damaging loss than being knocked out. You can't out it down to a lucky punch, a lapse in concentration, you have been physically owned and that imprint, that tattoo of domination stays with you in those dark recesses of your mind.

 

I never tire of watching that fight!! My observation re Khabib was simply in answer to the thread title which simply states wrestlers suck in the UFC/MMA, a statement that is demonstrably untrue.

 

I jist think, as I said in my longer post, that it is demonstrably untrue that wrestlers 'suck' in combat. If one man physically dominates another over 3,5,10 rounds, whatever, they 'win' the fight, simple. A solid grappling base will negate an opponent's kicking or punching as long as the grappler can avoid the inevitable strikes. The O'Malley fight was a great example. His gameplan was entirely negated, he was not physically strong, skilled or fast enough to keep his opponent off him and he paid the price. Now, as I said earlier, I can understand that people don't appreciate that style of fighting but if you know what you are looking at it is incredibly impressive.

 

Well thats highly debatable.