Wrestling dominates once again...

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  1. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket The true undefeated champions of boxing Full Member

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    Don't let that phony BJJ black belt fool you, wrestling is Woodleys base and that's what submitted Till.
    Tyron will tell you himself. BJJ is total bull****, it's a ****ing farce since the Gracies left. It's not practiced right anyway. BJJ is supposed to be a street form of jujitsu, it's not originally designed for sport.
    I like wrestling and boxing , 2 forms of fighting proven for combat. 96% of MMA champions were wrestling based and then karate. BJJ is bull****.
     
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    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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  3. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    BJJ isn't BS but long are gone the times where a combatant can dominate with that and that alone. The same is true for any base, but yeah wrestling is still and will always probably be the best base that's fighter can have. That said Woodleys striking in unison with his ground and pound got the job done, softening up Till for the submission.
     
  4. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Chief Supervisor Full Member

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    You mean kickboxing and Muay Thai? I remember when old washed up Cro Cop beat up 300 pound Miller in kickboxing not once but twice, now Miller is a top 5 heavyweight in boxing and will possibly beat up Wilder and Joshua. Times are great Willy

    Times are great.
     
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    Willie Maeket The true undefeated champions of boxing Full Member

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    Jesus christ man , Cro Cop is some sort of ****ing masochistic. He fought in everything but boxing and the kumite.
     
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    mirkofilipovic ESB Chief Supervisor Full Member

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    Cro Cop was a decent Croatian amateur boxer before he went on to kickboxing.
     
  7. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wrong. He was a competent amateur boxer and he old manned Jarrell Miller not once but twice and actually outboxed him. Imagine what a prime Cro Cop would have done to him?
     
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    Imagine how differently UFC matches would play out if there was no cage to bolster combatants?.Fighters wouldn't be able to use the cage to suppress wrestling maneuvers.
     
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    This
     
  10. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why do they use a cage? Just so it's more like Thunderdome?
     
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    He fought in the Kumite, too, but if he tells anyone, the Black Dragon Fighting Society will hunt him down.
     
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    To prevent people from falling out.

    Ropes and groundfighting don't mix well. The original idea for the UFC suggested clear plexiglass, but that would have potentially caused nasty injuries and was discarded.
     
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    That's pretty interesting actually. Why is it you don't see traditional martial arts done in a cage?
     
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    Good question. I don't know.

    Guesses off the top of my head:

    (1) The striking arts can use a ring just fine, and a lot of the grappling arts are just stand-up throwing arts, which wouldn't need a cage either. Ground grappling isn't a major focus for a lot of historical martial arts.

    (2) Modern cages might be expensive. Most combat spectator sports only got organized in the 19th century, and most of these "new" sports were just rationalized versions of older peasant "sports". Plus, even the 19th century sports weren't exactly rolling in resources. Before the 19th century, peasant sports would ideally be cheap to set up. Wrestling in jackets on grass, or punching each other in a rope ring you've assembled in a field, are cheap options. Getting the local blacksmith to fabricate a large metal cage is expensive.

    (3) Metal cages might obstruct visibility, though I'm less sure of this point because I haven't watched MMA live. Elevated seats or cameras might make it easier to see, but are, again, modern and expensive.

    (4) The early UFC guys wanted it to be as close to a real streetfight as possible. If the ref constantly has to restart fighters when they wander out of bounds, it makes the fight more artificial.
     
  15. GlaukosTheHammer

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    That's a fairly noble intention. I wouldn't want the current evolution of MMA to go in any direction but the way it has been but it would be cool if they found room on a card here or there to feature a fight that doesn't have anything to do with ranking or championships, just a fight between two traditional martial artists.

    I think there's still some really fun and interesting matchups MMA never really explored. A Sumo would actually be kind of interesting in a setting that didn't entirely negate his strengths. Wrestling starts with both men at the center of the matt right? And BJJ as well? Seems like it'd be pretty cool to see how a wrestler, BJJ partitioner, sumo, and judoka mixed in a barrierless setting and maybe not always starting with two men meandering to the center.

    :lol: i think i need to go watch an MMA documentary. I have a ****load of questions now.
     
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