Wright vs Olegusen...

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by dwilson, Feb 8, 2008.

  1. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Dunky thank you. The Voice of reason speaks again

    Also since everyone is coming into this debate and trying to champion Lynes, Hatton and Witter against Ajose I thought I better give some inside information I did not intend to share. Ajose preparation for this fight was virtually non-existent. We went back to Nigeria for the Xmas holidays/New Year not realising that he would have to fight in early February. We came back England only to find the fight was on ain a few weeks. Ajose trainer had to get out of Nigeria on the next flight. We had only 2 sparring sessions for this fight against an amateur who could only spar 4 rounds the first session and 3 rounds the next session that was all. We knew it was far from ideal preparation however we refuse to back out of fights and decided to take Nigel Wright on in his hometown. The Strong Survive. Ajose's timing was off and yes his performance was not at the same high level but I can guarantee next time out that you will see a similar performance to the Nuumbembee fight and the 1st 6 rounds against Gary Reid. In the circumstances it was a great performance as we overcame adversity again. I will also guarantee a knockout inside 8 rounds should Colin Lynes ever develop the guts to get in there with Ajose.

    Dunky you are right as for Hatton he would get a worse beating that the one PBF gave him and there will be no excuses he can make as it will happen at Light Welterweight.

    Witter might be a tougher fight because of styles but people don't realise it is actually a tougher fight for Witter than Ajose Olusegun who will put Witter in a box worse than Zab Judah did to him.
     
  2. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Jeff I know you know your boxing hence even with your limited viewing of Ajose you know he is 100% better than was shown on Friday night because of the circumstances.

    Lynes is what I call a straight up and down fighter with no special effects.

    I like Hatton who is a good fighter at what he does however I know he in particular is ready made to order for Ajose.

    Witter would be the toughest fight though it would be Witter's worst nightmare. I will let you into a secret Bredan Ingle knows this as well as does Junior Witter. They will only fight us as a mandatory if they are forced to. Witter already gave up a belt in the past rather face Ajose might you I can't blame him.
     
  3. elle

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    Yes Jeff my post was aimed at you. :good

    Olusegun does have some good wins on his record but what concerns me about him is that he doesn't seem to have improved since his win over Nuumbembe which was some 18+ months ago.

    On the other hand Lynes for me is probably one of the most improved british boxers over the last year particularly when you take into consideration his impressive back to back wins in the space of only 6 weeks capturing both the British and European Titles.

    In my opinion Lynes is proving himself to be more than just solid at domestic level. He widely outpointed his opponent whilst defending his euro title recently. I think Lynes is doing more than Olusegun to reinforce his status in the division.

    I don't think people are being hyper critical of Olusegun given his 'avoided' tag, etc - just realistic. For me he is actually overrated and not world class.
     
  4. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Great so if Colin finally steps into deep waters with the great Shark of the 140 pounds division Ajose Olusegun there can be no excuses when he gets knocked out. I only which Colin shared your confidence. Please Line him up and beg him to take the fight after all a win over Ajose would push him into the WBC top 10 ratings after all Ajose is overrated is he not according to you.

    For the record the only valid criticism that can be made of Ajose's performance in the Gary Reid fight is that he choose to ease off and stop Reid who beat up for 12 rounds for every minute and every second. He did not need to stop Reid all he needed to do was win convincingly which he did. Of course Ricky Hatton and Jumior Witter have never had a bad night have they.
     
  5. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    well, if that was Ajose with a lack of preparation, it just makes me even more confident that he will go onto achieve big things! Honestly Olu, you know me, I dont talk **** on ESB or say things to please people, if I thought Ajose was poor, I would have said it. I thought Ajose did well, & what I liked was how he landed some sickeners to the body early on, which I thought sucked the fight out of Wright, who is a dangerous lad. What people have to remember also is that Wright is a strong starter, he won the first half of the fight against the talented Lenny Daws, before he tired in the second half of the fight. Ajoses body work IMO nullified Wright before he had the chance to steal a good lead in front of his own fans.
    As usual, most of these people here didnt notice that, but Wright did, & mentioned it after the fight. Sometimes I truly wonder if some of the big mouths who criticize even have watched the fights they talk about in here so often. I have my doubts...
    But however thanks to you Olu I am now a fully fledged Olusegun fan, & it was kinda weird watching a non-scottish fighter & getting as emotional as I only get when watching one of my own! But thats how I am now, thanks to you Im a mad Olusegun fan! & to be honest, Im loving it, but hating it at the same time!
    Im loving it cos its great to cheer on a fighter as talented as Ajose, but I hate it cos when I love a fighter I get so wound up I feel like I could kick the TV set in:lol:
    & thats the way me & my pal was watching Olusegun the other night, we were shouting at the TV when Adam Smith & that idiot Jim Watt were trying to make out that Nigel Wright was doing better than he was, cos what you wil always notice with the commentary teams on Setanta & SKY is that instead of being impartial, they will openly support the english fighter. & thats what makes it so tough being a fan of an non englishman on these shores.
    I know some will be annoyed at my last comment, but its the truth. Nowadays, Rawling, Smith & co dont even try to disguise who they want to win anymore.
     
  6. dwilson

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    Wright is a decent level Brit fighter who now looks destined for jouneyman status. He may get a crack at British level again but he will more than likely come up short again.

    Ajose does have the ingredients to be real quality but unfortunetly does not back it up in the ring often enough. He does look to have found his true level unless something amazing happens and he improves ten fold.

    Lynes is good fighter who holds the Euro belt so can not be considered rubbish. He has dramatically improved over recent fights and looks the most promising threat to make a step up. I would love to see a fight between Ajose and Lynes as both look capable of causing each other serious problems but as of yet I have seen little in Ajose that rates him as world class to face either Hatton or Witter.

    The fact that Fewkes did an even better job on the dangerous Reid than Ajose speaks volumes more than Ajose not so remarkable win over Wright.

    If Ajose is to step into world class then he needs to start giving performances to warrent the claim and not to rely on two wins that happened a long time ago.

    Dunky should stop playing the jealous little scotlander and start to be proud of his own great country and its boxing prowess. I love Scotland and have spent alot of time there as well as marrying a wee quarter scottish lass. You should be as proud of your country as i am of it instead of taking little jabs at us in England.

    I have little against you Olu and I do rate Ajose but last nights performance was not what you or I hoped would happen. He needed a big win but only got a decent win. More is needed from him and I wish Ajose all the luck in advancing on his WBC 7th place ranking.
     
  7. oscar

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    once again you deride anything colin lynes, you say the ibo belt means nothing yet it was good enough for hatton/ castillo to fight for,and no only once when given 3 days notice did he decline to fight ajose. you keep going back a long way to give credence to ajose and i can see why recent performances are not world class where colins have been, the fight with wright should have been a showcase for his boxing talents not acting but a win is a win i suppose
     
  8. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    What the hell are you talking about??? Jealous Scotsman? Tell me what I am supposed to be jealous of.
    If you mean my dig at english commentators who openly back english fighters instead of being impartial? try watching some fights & then come back & tell me its all in my head.
    I take it you have ITV1, if you happened by a miracle to have recorded the Khan fight, listen to the commentary. Its not impartial, you will hear the commentators shout out advice to what they think their own man should be doing to win the fight.
    Its now going on on SKY & Setanta too, the english commentary teams openly back their own against anyone else.
    Im just telling it as it is, & if anyone dares tell me Rawling & Adam Smith are neutral? I will lose all respect for you.

    & It aint englander vs scotsman, its englander vs anyone. The 21st century commentators from these shores have forgotten the art of neutrality.
     
  9. dwilson

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    To be honest I have a pretty big dislike for most of the tv commentators and have not thought about their impartiality to certain regions of Brition. I doubt whether a fighter is Scottish, Welsh, Northern, Southern, Scouse or what ever has much to do with a commentators real agenda in fact the only times I have noticed this happen was in the Maaca vs Hobson fight awhile ago, it really pissed me off but not to an extent where I go looking for it in all fighters.

    As I have said before you have little to be jealous of. Scotland is a great country with fantastic history and traditions in more areas than just sport but you are acting like the whole of England has an agenda against you, it makes you sound like you have an unjustifiable inferiority complex.
     
  10. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    I dont look for it either, but I am not a stupid man & when it happens I notice it.
     
  11. dwilson

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    I have not noticed it aimed specifically used against all fighters when facing an Englishman. As I said the Macca vs Hobson fight was a blantant Macca hype job, and they are more than likely alot more of similar circumstances of an English fighter getting the unfair crack of the whip when up against a better known non-English fighter.

    There are cirtain fighters for certain networks who get the rub of the green from these idiots. As a proud Yorkshire man I am dreading the treatment Carl Johanesson will get from the commentators when he faces cockney golden boy Mitchell, if it is anything like the bull**** already spouted by the likes of Bunce then I shall skip the build up and watch the fight with the mute button on.
     
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    No matter how much you try to discredit Lynes your words won't get Olusegun any nearer to a shot at him.

    You say you don't respect Lynes as a man or fighter calling him shameless, petrified and that he fights like a girl and yet after Lynes beat Mutley didn't you graciously admit he was excellent, outstanding in fact?

    Praise indeed considering you appeared to rate Mutley highly and predicted he would stop Lynes.
     
  13. African Cobra

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    I don,t rate Muttley particularly highly though I believe(d)he was better than Lynes from whatIhad seen. I think Muttley might have been dead at the weight that night.I only congratulated Lynes to goad him into taking on my fighter.if Lynes wants respect he knows what he needs to do.
     
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    I wish dwilson would stop addressing me. I absolutely will not talk to someone who trashes the African Boxing Union title and has the audacity to group the Scots, Nigerians, New Zealand and the rest of commonwealth as part of England.Then he accuses me of being racist merely because I referred to my fighter as the foreign invader tongue in cheek.Of course if Lynes had any pride he would insist on fighting Ajose but we know he will not similar to the Barry McGuigan shamefully avoided Azumah Nelson.
     
  15. selhurst

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    Olu obviously Ajose would use different tactics if he was facing the likes of Witter or Hatton but also higher quality fighters would not let him get away with the mistakes he made against Wright and Reid.

    Watching the fight again he is trying too hard to impress and not letting his shots flow. Maybe he needs to face a world class fighter to bring the best out of him.