Write here a rare opinion in boxing that is considered strange, but you agree with it

Marciano knows more about inside fighting then any HW after him exemption to that fact is guys like Toney coming up - he’d be a great 175lbs-190lbs fighter with just enough size and power to visit “open weight” if he’d come along in the 80s he’d have legitimised 190lbs and retired with endless title defences against mulch he’d be a Ricardo Lopez figure.

 

Clinches are good in boxing if you put some punching technique in it.

As long as it is like Sammy Angott type clinching,not Lou Bizarro trying to hug Duran by running into him and holding him tightly like a dude who hasn't met his boyfriend in years.

 

I totally agree, this is something I have always said. He is the textbook definition of a boxer and everyone can learn something from this legend.

 

I'll make sure to employ this tactic when I see mine. (Actually on the train up as we speak)

 

I don't think I have many controversial opinions at least when it comes to boxing but I'll give it a try.

Rocky Marciano isn't the antichrist but he also isn't the second coming.

Carlos Ortiz has a better lightweight resume than Roberto Duran.

Harada is greater than Jofre.

Jung Koo Chang is a top 15 h2h talent on film.

Tony Canzoneri needs to be more loved than he currently is, Top 10 talent on film.

Underrated boxers will eventually become overrated. You can't be "underrated" when everyone is calling you underrated. Examples: Holmes, Hopkins, and Locche. I think this effect probably also works in reverse and some examples might be Mayweather, Roy Jones Jr and Mike Tyson but I would probably have to think about that more.

Roy Jones Jr's chin really isn't the achilles heel people want it to be.

Bob Foster's resume is meh relative to other light heavyweight greats.

I would favor FOTC Frazier over the best version of Muhammad Ali.

Mayweather's welterweight resume is better than Hearn's welterweight resume.

Jimmy Wilde is not a top 3 h2h flyweight

I am a causal fan and that's ok.

We should probably factor the color line more than we do when talking about the really old greats.

Some boxers get overrated/underrated as a means of attacking/boosting the career of another boxer. For example someone who is anti Marciano will underrate Jersey Joe Walcott while someone who is pro Marciano will over value Jersey Joe Walcott.

Emile Griffith deserves a fantastic biopic but he's going to get a mediocre one if he even gets one at all.

Soley ranking boxers on resume might be logically impossible but I need to think on that one.

 

I have a bunch I'll just say one:
Wlad is a H2H monster and I wouldn't favor a single boxer over him at his best

 

Ali had Parkinsons even in the early 70s, although it got worse later. Also, he was the only truly outstanding heavyweight of his generation.

 

Necessarily rare/strange or not: -

Accepting that it was much more acceptable back in the day and it wouldn’t be considered “boxing” per se these days, I still enjoy, appreciate and see great technique, skill and strength in Jack Johnson’s ability to clutch and casually lock down opponents while still being able to easily let his own punches fly as and when he felt like it - not least the wicked uppercut for which he needed next to no room to launch.

Of course the smaller gloves of the era would’ve helped in so far allowing more solid purchase on the oppositions arms, squeezing their biceps, etc.

His method in the above regards would not go astray on the street.

 

This is a interesting one to be honest. Definitely goes against the rule since most people have Frazier and Foreman in there top 10 heavyweights and some have Liston there also.

 

No surprise from you. That's your biggest theory.

 

I am a bit worried about his chin in some the matchups though what's your view on that?

 

Doesn’t matter he's hard to hit clean especially by smaller fighters he can control on the outside

 

Pushing the boat out in my opinion claiming Muhammad had Parkinsons as far back as the early 70s. Nevertheless I will respect your opinion. I suppose that we can only go by visible signs of anything wrong with him as we're not medical people. I have n't noticed any tell tale signs of Muhammad having anything wrong with him until the LATE 70s at the earliest.

 

Speech experts reviewed his public interviews and discussed how he was showing signs throughout the 70s, although it got MUCH worse after Shavers.

It also explains, IMO, how he looks like he lost a step athletically even in his later 20s. Some of that is natural, and some is the effect of the layoff, but it fits with the speech evidence.

 

Bridger makes sense too, but nobody seems to care about it.

Fun idea -- Opateia should (after unifying) go capture the bridger title on his way into the HW division, just for the hell of it.