Writing "Sorcery": an author's tale

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  1. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I opened this book Wednesday evening and finished it yesterday. This book was very compelling and I didn't want to stop reading it. I highly recommend it. Being on the Leonard side of this "civil war" I read the book with a critical eye. I thought the author was pretty fair. There were a couple instances where I thought he featured Leonard's perceived advantages to support the theme of the book (I'll be the first to admit this is nitpicking a little).
    At one point he suggested that Leonard took the less dangerous Benitez rather than fight Cuevas. At the time, Benitez was the more accomplished fighter and in hindsight, Benitez is thought of even more highly. Later in the book when recounting Leonard - Hearns, he suggested that this was Leonard's 4th superfight (including Benitez) and that it was only Hearns 1st superfight (discounting Cuevas). So which is it? Was fighting Benitez more significant or Cuevas? It's one or the other.
    The 2nd issue, was his characterization of the referees and how it affected their scoring. Granted, Jo Jo Guerra's 10-2 scorecard was absurd, but I doubt that his having sparred with Sugar Ray ROBINSON in any way affected his scorecard (as was suggested). On the contrary, it's been my experience that most Sugar Ray Robinson fans resented Leonard adopting the nickname. I'll add that if Harry Gibbs had been the referee and had he scored the fight 8-4 for Hagler, that scorecard would have been equally as absurd and controversial as Guerra's. There's no way Hagler won 8 rounds of that fight.
    The author details judge Dave Moretti's relationship with Billy Baxter, a potential business partner, and points out that Baxter told Moretti he'd placed a large bet on Leonard. The suggestion was made that this could have potentially "exerted a strong emotional pull on" Moretti. Moretti scored the fight 7-5 for Leonard (which is an extremely plausible scorecard for this fight). In fairness, the author noted that Moretti passed a lie detector test, but went on to plant the aforementioned seed.
    One other thing I didn't realize or possibly forgot that Leonard pushed for a rematch and Hagler didn't want it.
    Despite my critique above, this is a very good read.
     
  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly when did Leonard push for a rematch, after Hagler retired or when Hagler asked immediately after the fight was over?
     
  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was Tommy's first superfight but his first big name, even tho Cuevas doesn't get the respect he deserves (everyone thinks Palomino and Starling are both better fighters)

    But it wasn't considered a superfight but more of mandatory (top) challenger meets champion; no different than Sandoval-Chandler or Sibson Hagler.

    I think it depends on how popular the defending champion is

    I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive
     
  4. SorceryatCaesar

    SorceryatCaesar Leonard-Hagler author Full Member

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    this was one of the most difficult areas to report. both sides claimed they pushed for an immediate rematch. but if that were so - it would have happened.

    what did happen?

    my guess is that hagler pushed hard immediately after the fight - leonard would not committ - and once hagler sensed that leonard was being coy - pulled back for fear of being used again. then leonard announced his 'retirement' six weeks after the bout. that did it for hagler - he was in no mood to be sucked into another of leonard's scripts.

    by the way, the term Big Fight is contextual. it's not only the two fighters, but the hype, stage and public interest.

    Leonard-Benitez was hugely hyped and displayed at an ABC prime time event.
    Hearns-Cuevas was not.
    If Leonard had chosen to go after Cuevas' title first, Leonard-Cuevas would have been a Big Fight.
    He chose Benitez because it was a safer choice - he wasn't going to walk into a career-changing punch.
     
  5. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    The Ring, September 1990.

    As of this writing, rumours of a rematch, sheduled for November, are circluating freely. Some of the headlines: "Leonard-Hagler II (the national) and "HBO forsees Leonard-Hagler fight" (USA Today). And it hasn't just been in the newspapers. In late March, Boston's WHDH-TV reported that Hagler was seeking a rematch.

    Sometimes tougher to corner in an interview than in the ring, Leonard wasn't elusive when asked about whether he was openly granting Hagler a rematch oppurtunity. " I would defintely welcome that" he said. "My clock is ticking just as fast as his clock".
     
  6. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess the underlying, unspoken point is that they were "big fights" because Leonard was in them. I don't think Tommy was overwhelmed by the stage. On the contrary, I think he thrived on it. Tommy's problem was an inability to hold when hurt, which he hadn't learned 4 years later (against Hagler).

    I hold Benitez in much higher regard than Cuevas. There's always a "punchers chance", but I think the chances of Cuevas taking Leonard out were slim. The risky fight, from the perspective of losing it, was Benitez IMO.
     
  7. SorceryatCaesar

    SorceryatCaesar Leonard-Hagler author Full Member

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    good point - it's certainly debatable. makes me wonder about a cuevas-benitez fight, circa 1978 or 1979.

    but if you put yourself in leonard's mindset - he believed he could outbox anybody. on the other hand, he was hurt enough - by marcos geraldo of all people - to want to avoid a tough puncher. i can imagine mike trainer and angelo dundee reciting the pros and cons - and deciding that cuevas' puncher's chance was a risk they would rather avoid.
     
  8. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, this did all take place before Hearns kind of exposed Cuevas. It's pretty audacious feeling sure about outboxing Benitez.
    Regardless, I thoroughly enjoyed the book. I don't normally read books in 3 days, so that's a good indicator that I was engrossed.
     
  9. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Anyone else read this book recently?
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    definitly getting this book

    i had hagler winning by 1 round but i could see how leanard won it
     
  11. PopeJackson

    PopeJackson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mr. Marantz,

    Your thread has convinced me to purchase the book. I will be looking forward to reading it. Best regards.
     
  12. SorceryatCaesar

    SorceryatCaesar Leonard-Hagler author Full Member

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    hope you enjoy it - let us know what you think - and don't pull any punches.