Written reports + Lack of Footage = Overrated?

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  1. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did Tarver score a KD/KO or even hurt/stagger Jones with any particular single punch in the 1st fight? I don't remember any.

    2nd bout - I explained this many times - Jones was throwing a short left hook at opponent who was near off-balance, at the same time protecting his chin from a left counter with his right glove. What did he have to do, according to textbook?

    Johnson bout - an arc punch that caught him above the ear; fighters usually land a lot of punches to the side of the head without effect. His right glove was covering his chin, ready to block or parry or deflect a left punch (which he actually blocked, there was a left hand punch aimed at his chin a moment before the right hand punch followed), as well as ready to parry a straight right. A punch that landed instead, a younger Jones would have taken a step forward or to the right in that situation, for better safety, but his legs were gone, so he relied on head and upper body movement instead, he was getting away from a punch, his head had travelled almost a foot before that right hand caught him up.
     
  2. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Becoming invested too much(and thus losing perspective, becoming overly biased etc) in a fighter you've taken a lot of time researching through the written word, and of who there is little to no footage of is definitely an issue in the boxing community.

    Still, becoming overly invested and developing bias of fighters of who there is plenty to watch is an issue as well.

    It is what it is.You've just got to try and remain as objective as possible.
     
  3. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    **** that. This is boxing not politics; these events are not, in absolute terms, important to our lives. Be biased.
     
  4. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I try to be, but i just can't imagine Shane Mosley post vernon forrest as a good fighter no matter how much i like his cheery manner.
     
  5. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sometimes I close my eyes and pretend he's still a lightweight.
     
  6. JLP 6

    JLP 6 Fighter/Puncher Full Member

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    First fight.

    Does it matter if he hurt or knocked him down. Tarver was hitting Roy alot. Beating him against the ropes. All Roy could do was stand there and take it until Tarver finished throwing and landing punches. I scored the fight for Roy. Tarver prevented himself from winning a/o KO'ing Roy because Tarver was more interested in winning the event than winning the match.

    In the second match Roy got clocked, period. With Johnson, Roy was getting beat on from the word go. It just got worse with every passing round.

    With solid defense he would have never been in the position he was in in those three fights. Fighters that could corner Roy against the ropes had a chance to land punches. Fighter could never corner Hopkins. He was crafty, moble, and slick.

    But, for me I will end my oppinions on Roy's defense because I do not want to get bogged down with you in a match of wills. Whatever your response is, it will be the last word. I do not want to detract from the real topic at hand.

    Thanks.
     
  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tarver was beating Jones' high-held arms, rarely being able to land any clean punches. That's the point. This is like saying Foreman was hitting Ali a lot. If he actually landed all or most of his punches he threw, Ali would have been out in one of the early rounds.

    2nd fight. Clocked when he was doing something wrong technically? The only thing I could think of was to step toward Tarver with that punch, but the position Tarver was in made it difficult and rather useless to step inside.

    With Johnson, again, count the number of punches Johnson landed clean. It's in single digits in most if not all rounds, including the first where Johnson threw about a hundred punches in total (punches to the back don't count, because they are against the rules).