Wrong perception of the fights

Has anyone mentioned Ali having to be helped back to the corner against Cooper yet not to mention the cut glove etc

 

Roy Jones was washed up for Tarver 2. Hardly, he looked much better in Tarver 2 than he did in their first fight. His legs had bounce and his punches had the zip of old. Tarver just Ko’d him. After that Jones’s psych and ability faded.

 

Jimmy went 0-3 against contenders in the next two years, losing twice to Ocasio who wasn't even very good.

I guess his peak is reserved for the twelve rounds he spent teaching Foreman how to box.

 

Hi Buddy.
That particular story/fable has carried for over a 100 years or so, if it is truly a myth, as many people now believe it is, I suppose we must assume that Ketchell himself must have perpetrated it to mitigate the loss, I was when I was a callow youth ( not so much now ) fascinated with Ketchell and his fights, also his background and lifestyle, to the extent I had some black and white photos I saw in a American boxing mag titled " Boxania Review " written by Harry Pegg, blown up framed and hung them on my bedroom wall, most young men at the time had Farrah Fawcett Majors, Brigitte Bardot, etc, my fav photo was the their second encounter, in which the foul blow was said to have taken place, it showed Ketchell in long very creased trunks, short little socks, and hair parted to one side, not muscular but solid looking, Papke was attired in his usual nappy type shorts, not too dissimilar to the type Corbett used to favour, he obvs wore a singlet type vest whilst in training for the fight, because he was all white on his chest, and mahogany brown on arms and neck, and in the middle stood Jeffries, looking very fat indeed, he wore a collarless shirt, big baggy trousers, held up with braces, and on his head was the type of thing a croupier would wear at a casino, according to, well I don't know who, a minute or to after this photo, and after the bell had rung, Papke apparently raced across the ring, and struck Stan a blow to his nose ! while Ketchell's hands were in front of his body waiting for Papke to touch gloves, so how long ago was this debunked, and by whom, if you would be so kind.
Also, from what I have read over the years, the ref saying to the fighters at mid ring before the fight "defend yourself at all times " stemmed from this fight, and its ramifications.
Stay safe McGrain, chat soon.

 

It’s pretty astounding how awful Roy looked in his next bout against Glen Johnson.


I thought he looked certainly better physically a year later in the third Tarver match, but looked too cautious due to the previous 2 KO losses and wouldn’t let his hands go. Tarver actually looked pretty bad in his own right.

But the Glen Johnson bout, Roy just looked so bad. It seemed like he saw the right hand coming, tried to roll with it, and still got knocked unconscious

 

Yeah, it’s ironic in so far as, at the time, the true quality of Foreman’s chin was not yet known and fully appreciated, therefore Ali’s power punching display was very underrated.

Years later Foreman still referred to Ali’s last punch as a tremendous right hand IIRC…and it was, the vision and particularly the still photos attest to that.

We should also remember that George still came so very close to beating the count though he would’ve still been beaten.

The count might’ve seemed “relatively” fast as compared to most other counts but it was ultimately a perfectly flat 10 seconds.

Not that Ali’s victory in Zaire necessarily needed any more credit than it was already afforded at the time but Foreman’s comeback and fully upheld durability enhanced Ali’s achievement even more.

 

Excellent post. Jimmy was a fine boxer at best but Young’s victory over Foreman was nothing like Ali’s - and it was, imo, a much lesser Foreman he faced at any rate.

Young was also guilty of some dirty tactics during the fight but played on Foreman being the “villain”, thereby accusing Foreman of what he (Young himself) was actually doing.

Young was always somewhat of a “whinger” during some his bigger fights - over playing the “hard done by” routine.

As to the “knockdown”, that was as close to being NOT an actual KD (as normally perceived) as it gets - Foreman literally fell far more from his own actions than any punch landed by Young.

 

The idea that the judges robbed DelaHoya against Felix Trinidad. I don't think he was robbed at all but if he was he robbed himself. To concede the last 4 rounds of a 12 round fight essentially a third of the bout then shout robbery is asinine.
The fans were robbed certainly.

The source of this misconception comes from the same place Taylor/Chavez comes from. HBO painting false narratives during the telecast. Courtesy of Jim Lampley's creative blow by blow calling painting a rosy picture in favor of the house fighter. Taylor and DelaHoya.

It's not that they both weren't ahead in their fights but not by the margin that the crew at HBO was suggesting.