wtf did Kostya Tszyu do to get into the HOF ????

Ill prove another point if need be to compare some of the best around that weight with quality opposition compared to Tszyu's if you like.

Tszyu 4th Fight vs Juan LaPorte (37-12-0) 2 years earlier lost a close fight with Azumah Nelson for WBC title. Former World Featherweight Champ. Tszyu won a clear UD.

Tszyu 6th Fight Sammy Fuentes (23-10-1) 3 years earlier faced JC Chavez and lost but was a quality opponent for the time. After losing to Tszyu went on to win WBO 140 Title. Tszyu KO'd Fuentes in round 1.

10th Fight Livingston Bramble (34-11-3) Was very active at this time losing to fighters like Oba Carr, R. Mayweather but he was former Champ and a good one at that yet he lost to Tszyu in a Wide UD. Remembering this was only his 10th fight.

14th Fight Jake Rodriguez (26-2-2) This was for the IBF 140 title Jake was on a roll and beaten some good opponents leading up to the fight. Tszyu KO'd Jake in the 6th.

15th Fight Roger Mayweather (54-11-0) Tszyu's first defense picked former World Champ Roger who was not in great form but had major experience and was very ring smart a huge risk in only 15 fights and Tszyu won a easy UD.

Now ive given 5 fights early on in tszyu career that i doubt there are many fighters that can match that quality of risk and there skill level of fighting some opponents like that.

Floyd Mayweather
4th fight Edgar Ayala (0-0-0) Who
6th Fight Bobby Giebert (19-8-0) Who
10th Fight Lioue Lieja (18-3-1) Had just been KO'd by Jesus Chavez
14th Fight Sam Girard (17-4-1) Who
I looked at it Floyds first real quality opponent was Tony Pep and that was Floyds 17th Pro fight compared to Tszyu having a quality opponent in his 4th.

Now i could do this with Dela Hoya, Mosley, Whitaker and there resumes earlier would not hold a ****ing pair of Tszyu's dirty jocks in comparison.

 

alot of why he never became that star was cause of kostya Tszyu.

 

judah even admitted that he took that fight too early. but hey what does that matter? Zoo is in the hall of fame. well deserved in my opinion. but to each his own.

 

Ignorance and arrogance are two different things. Just because someone is arrogant, it doesn't necessarily lead to them being ignorant. You want to throw them in together, but it doesn't work that way.

For the sake of argument, let's say I have been arrogant (I admit, there is a touch of arrogance to what I say in this thread) how does it lead to me being ignorant? And how does one not need a superior knowledge to recognise when someone is displaying ignorance? You can't just call someone ignorant without thinking that you KNOW better. Even if you were making a purely Socratic point (implying that you know that you don't know, which makes you have more knowledge than someone that claims to know) it would still mean that you think you have a superior knowledge on the topic. If you don't even mean that, then you're comment is utterly meaningless, which leaves you simply talking **** because you're pissed off that I'm knocking down all the views you hold sacred - which is a distinct probability.

See my point above about how ignorance and arrogance are different things.

I guess the best thing to do when one is talking utter garbage as you are is just to move along, but still, I like to point out to others when they are talking ****, which you are, that they are talking ****, so hence my replies to you.

Kostya Tszyu had his flaws. If you don't see them, it's because you are ignorant, not me. Instead of coming to terms with it you've decided to lash out at me and offer some bull**** rationalisation for it, which we'll get to below:

How is a lack of defense and a lack of knowing when to hold and rough it on the inside not a reference to skill deficiencies?

Really? I like how you have chosen to ignore my comment earlier in the thread that Tszyu was getting hit plenty as early as the Hector Lopez fight and again in the Hugo Pineda fight. Tszyu never, and I repeat never, had great defense, never - ever. His offensive artillery usually more than compensated for this (as the adage goes, offense is the best defense), but when guys could stand up to his power, he got hit plenty. Didn't change at all by the time of the Phillips fight.

Hahah, I knew it, the Bill Mordey excuse. I anticipated it earlier, knew you had to pull this crutch out. Had absolutely nothing to do with Tszyu's loss.

I've seen pretty much everything there is to see of Tszyu, and you know what, I actually rooted for him every time. I used to watch his fights with friends all the time. But I'm not going to sit here and delude myself into thinking Kostya was a complete fighter, when he wasn't. He had deficiencies and they showed up for everyone to see. That you can't accept it and want to make up fairy tales about falling in love with power (when even his earlier fights show him getting hit and dragged into wars) and Tszyu having out of the ring issues which somehow changed him as a fighter, is your problem, not mine.

 

Buddy Mcgirt was way better fighter and way more deserving candidate for HOF.

 

Let me do a nuthugger's version for Pernell Whitaker:

8th fight - Beats John Montes, who would go on to beat Freddie Pendleton just as Freddie was starting to get hot

11th fight - Beats Alfredo Layne, who in the same year had knocked out the great Wilfredo Gomez

12th fight - Beats Roger Mayweather, ex 130 champ and future 140 champ, dominating the fight, winning about 10 rounds

16th fight - Fights champion Jose Luis Ramirez, a fighter with over 100 fights experience, dominates the first five rounds, then breaks his hand and holds his own with Ramirez with only one hand for the remainder of the fight, only to be horribly robbed.

 

Before Tszyu beat him, he was actually Pernell Whitaker with power. :good

 

Buddy's certainly an underrated fighter. He's just unlucky that he faced most of the best fighters of his time in and around his weight class (unlike Tszyu). Could have had a pretty handy reign against Kostya's opposition.

Personally I don't see him losing to anyone Kostya fought, with the exception of Hatton when Buddy is old and decrepit.

 

Tszyu taught Blab Judah how to do the chicken dance!

 

Even as a big Tszyu I can admit that his resume is not that deep... but huge part why he is rated soooo highly is because it's not really his fault he wasn't getting challenged. De La Hoya, Mosley and Mayweather all decided they wanted nothing to do with Tszyu and moved to welterweight.. He was THE CHAMP at 140. If someone wanted to challenge for 140 they would have to go through Tszyu. They didnt.
And him not moving up to 147 is the smartest thing he could do and it should be a credit to his proffesionalism and dedication. Instead of bloating up to a division where he would be too small in he stayed in his own division and dominated it.
IMO it's better to stay in single division and dominate it for a decade instead of jumping all over and cherry picking the weakest link.

Once again his division WAS THE BEST IN BOXING wheather you wanna admit that a decade later or not.




Andrey

 

This is stupid!!! Why leave your prime weight to try and cherry pick a title in division that's unnatural for you???

Cause too hard to make weight. Kostya was tooo professional and chose to stay trim in his own division



Andrey

 

140 had depth, but 147 was where it was at:

Whitaker, DLH, Quartey, Trinidad, Mosley, Lopez

vs.

Tszyu, Judah, Mitchell, Phillips and a whole bunch of aging lightweights