wtf did Kostya Tszyu do to get into the HOF ????

You are not giving him enough credit. He did not just call you any common insult but used the not often seen but deadly insult of "****en ****** ass fanboy".


He really shot down every point made with that one.

 

Resume is important, but it's not the sole determiner of a fighter's worth. Tszyu is a lot better fighter than his resume suggests imo. His resume is pretty ordinary - he wasn't.

I'm talking respectable lists. Not the type of lists you see with 75% of the fighters on there having fought in the last 40 years.

 

Tszyu was just perfect for beating Chavez. A younger Chavez perhaps gets stopped even quicker due to the extra aggression he would show playing into Tszyu's hands.

 

Bop, I know you're trying to pump Kostya's tyres but come on man, Judah does NOT have a better resume than Meldrick Taylor and he is NOT half the fighter Meldrick was at his peak.

Judah didn't beat anyone half as good as Buddy McGirt, heck, he didn't beat anyone as good as Aaron Davis, and he'd never in a thousand attempts find himself 2 seconds away from beating a fighter the calibre of Julio Cesar Chavez.

Meldrick had a short prime and quickly deteriorated, but at his peak he was more than a 6 round fighter. Judah, despite the hype surrounding him and his skills, never really was.

Tszyu has a lot more quantity to his resume than Aaron Pryor, but Aaron Pryor beat Alexis Arguello, who was better at that stage than anyone Tszyu beat (especially in the first fight), and Antonio Cervantes, who I would argue even as an old man was more formidable than Judah and Mitchell.

Beyond resumes, Aaron simply looked a real formidable fighter, and that's why people regard him so highly.

Buddy McGirt
Aaron Davis
Harold Brazier
Robin Blake
Primo Ramos (x2)
Glenwood Brown
a draw with Howard Davis (which most feel he won)

That's probably still a better resume than Judah's and not it's not even taking into account that Taylor's career was cut short due to brain damage.

Do you agree with the fact that Alexis Arguello and Antonio Cervantes were better scalps than any Tszyu ever captured?

Tszyu is HOF worthy, but he isn't a first ballot guy imo, when you consider some of the fighters that have failed to get in first time round, it's a joke that he is a walkup start. Doesn't mean he's the only one to get that treatment that he didn't deserve it, but it is what it is....

Come on now, you're comparing Klit to Monzon? Monzon's weak era shits on Wlad's about 15 times over.

Nino Benvenuti
Rodrigo Valdez
Emile Griffith
Jose Napoles
Bennie Briscoe
Jean Cladue Bouttier
Tony Licata
Tony Mundine
Denny Moyer

If that's weak, then Wlad has yet to even face an era.

Australia is a joke as far as boxing goes. And I say that AS an Australian. Every single person here knows Anthony Mundine and you'd have to search for years for anyone that's heard of Julio Cesar Chavez. Even if they say they have, they'd probably be thinking of Julius Cesar!

Popularity amidst a parochial, ignorant crowd should never be the measure for anything.

 

Yeah, Chavez was lucky he was shot, otherwise Julio would have been right ****ed up.

 

The Hall Of Fame is quite happy to detail his 259-11 am record and his pro record so they look at the overall picture.

Based on pure pro record I can see the objection but that is a flawed premise - the Hall Of Fame eligibility criteria is broader than just pro head to head.

Anyone who cannot, or worse will not, understand that is just obstinate.


BTW I would be more than happy for a number of fighters mentioned to be inducted.

 

Have to disagree. I love Kostya, but pressure fighters were his achilles heel. His ego and pride forced Kostya to fight and try to beat Phillips and Hatton at their own game, I don't expect any difference against a prime Chavez. Chavez was one of the most intelligent pressure fighters, and his iron jaw would easily hold up for 12 rounds against Tszyu. I think he wears Kostya down and stops him earlier than Phillips and Hatton. I'd also chose Pryor over Tszyu aswell.

 

Well, I'm not sure the Hatton fight is an example of Kostya's ability against pressure fighters. He was definitly past his prime and Hatton was allowed to break all the rules in the book as a result of aweful homeside refereeing. Prime for Prime, Kostya smashes Hatton. Actually, outside of Manchester, even an old Kostya would have smashed Hatton.

I think Kostya would have beaten a prime Chavez too, and agree with the point above, that a more aggressive Chavez would have played into Kostya's hands.

Also, I'm yet to hear anyone point out who Kostya ever ducked throughout his entire career. He didn't need to travel to Manchester and face the expected disadvantages to round off his career, but he took the fight. If people had been more willing to fight him he would have further cemented his claim to greatness.

 

:rofl
A bafoon? Is that similar to a moran? More street slang.

You insult like a red neck. :nut