WTF is in Ariza's shakes?

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  1. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    HGH and Epo are injectables so they are definitely out. The only illegal thing they could put is steroids. But it is most possibly a high calorie concoction as he needs 7 - 8 thousand calorie per day just to maintain weight. If he were to eat that amount, that is equivalent to 4 times what we eat, quite a very large amount that would make you bloated.

    Example, unsaturated fats like olive oil would contain 15 calories per ml as compared to a carbohydrate and protein which only has 4. however, protein balance is essential otherwise wasting of muscles happen like in the case of Hoya in the PAC fight.
     
  2. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    I am just wondering since the body naturally produces and excretes steroids in the urine, would you consider someone roiding if he drinks his own pee?It is not artificial but it sure does contain steroids that is why you can test it using urine.
     
  3. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    divac would rather not answer this one. :lol:
     
  4. yingyang

    yingyang Boxing Addict Full Member

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    protien, weight gainer +

    The regime created by Ariza to build that muscle and maintain the speed and power involves two parts. The first is what he refers to as “core training,” a phrase which has become a bit of buzzword in the last few years in the world of exercise and nutritional training, but is seldom heard in boxing. The “core” may sound like it means just abdominals, but it goes much deeper than that. The “core” is the whole area between the shoulders and the pelvis. The idea behind strengthening the “core” is that this area provides the foundation for all other areas of the body to function at its highest levels. Core training thus builds the muscles to produce explosive, powerful movements with mean and lean efficiency, and less likelihood of injury.

    To accomplish this, twice a week, Ariza has Pacquiao doing punishing isometrics, where he has to hold a certain position for an extended period of time. In addition he has Pacquaio performing plyometrics, grueling drills involving quick bursts of energy, such as sprints on the track, high intensity cone and ladder drills, even swimming.

    “We’re focusing on faster-twitch muscle fibers,” Ariza says, “getting them to fire, feet complimenting the hands, hands complimenting the feet, balance, coordination. “

    The exercises are often mind numbingly repetitious and painful beyond imagination. Ever the warrior, Pacquaio says he doesn’t mind core training, but Ariza said that in reality, he actually hates them.

    = PACMONSTER



    Ariza, 35, was born in Colombia and migrated to New York at 13 years old with his single mom and two older siblings. After a few years in New York the family headed to Southern California. Ariza eventually graduated from San Diego State University with a degree in Exercise and Nutritional Science. Although he had never boxed, Ariza felt his future lay in boxing, a sport where modern training techniques are often looked at with suspicion.

    “Boxing offered me a forum,” he said, “a niche, where I could apply my own theories, my own concepts, my own way of what I thought was more important, recovery vs. muscle failure.

    Ariza doesn’t oversee his program alone. He gets regular advice and assistance on administering Pacquiao’s regime from Teri Tom, a dietician at UCLA, and Aundrea Macias, a kinesiology expert at San Diego State.

    “Aundrea does all my research analysis. We analyze all the exercises, risk vs. reward. I run it by her and she tells me what’s best.
     
  5. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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  6. Janjhalani

    Janjhalani Boxing Terrorist Full Member

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    This :deal

    Pac keep winning, Haters keep whining.
     
  7. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Damnnnnn you guys are reading too much into this with the whole UCLA, acting representative, alumni ethics etc..

    however if it was truly the case that is happening then okay ill give props but this is getting ridiculous
     
  8. empiricix

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    While you are perfectly entitled to believe that Pacquiao is a PED user, I have yet to see you or anyone else present strong legal, statistical or empirical evidence to back up your claim, other than the "no one can do what he did without being a PED user" argument. I am not belittling your opinion, merely stating for the record that it is what it is - an opinion.

    Now, what proof do I have that Pac is not taking PEDs? Absolutely none at all. I am merely a fan who lives vicariously through Pac's fights. But as long as no one can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he is taking PED, then I choose to ignore unfounded allegations and speculations and believe otherwise.
     
  9. MamaSupra

    MamaSupra Guest

    Yohimbee is banned just to enlighten you pekpeker :verysad What is JEBS? Why dont you *******s give us some of those JEBS and beat you out of this site. :yep
     
  10. fighter86

    fighter86 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Steroid Chronology

    Steroids have an interesting history. How much do you know about the history of the drug?

    1889 Charles Edouard Brown-Sequard (1817–1894) reports that he feels more energetic after injecting himself with a compound taken from animal testicles.

    1935 The hormone testosterone is isolated in a European laboratory. Chemists quickly learn how to make synthetic versions.

    1945 Survivors of Nazi concentration camps are given anabolic-androgenic steroids to help restore weight and muscle lost during periods of starvation.

    1975 After years of steroid abuse by Olympic athletes, the International Olympic Committee adds anabolic-androgenic steroids to its list of banned substances and announces plans to test athletes randomly for steroid use.

    1988 Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson forfeits his gold medal in the 100–meter dash after testing positive for a banned substance.

    1991 Anabolic-androgenic steroids are named Schedule III drugs under the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. Former Pittsburgh Steeler Steve Courson (1955– ) writes False Glory: Steelers and Steroids.

    2003 Federal narcotics agents raid the Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), an alleged source of "designer" steroids.

    2005 Former baseball star Jose Canseco writes the book Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big. Major League Baseball players and management are called to testify before the U.S. Congress about steroid use in professional baseball. "Andro" is added to the Schedule III list of controlled substances. The Olympics Committee announces its decision to drop baseball and softball from the 2012 games in London, in the United Kingdom, due in part to the controversy surrounding steroid use in the sport.

    THERE ARE BOXERS TAKING DRUGS IN THIS SPORT , TRUST ME. WE DON'T KNOW WHATS IN THE MILK SHAKE AND NEITHER DOES MANNY ,SO IF YOU TAKING SOMETHING BUT DOESN'T LIKE TO TAKE VITAMINS SOMETHING IS GOING ON ,IF FOR ONE MINUTE YOU NIEVE ****S THINK NOT. OH WELL
     
  11. fighter86

    fighter86 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Present for Pac


    Steroid Abuse Urine Test Kit

    CVS

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  12. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    is there a blood testing kit? Urine wasn't good enough for Floyd.:huh
     
  13. bdman

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  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    This is a good enough post to merit a response too.....

    Let me tell you what my thought process was before the allegations.

    I've always had suspicion of several fighters, even Mayweather Jr. being one of them.
    ......however, no one has the right to accuse others as you say without just cause.

    My real suspicion of Pacquiao came when he beatdown Miguel Cotto.
    Beating Miguel Cotto was'nt the shock for me. It was'nt a suprise that Pac had beaten Cotto.
    The suprise for me was in the fashion Pacquiao did it.
    The fashion being taking a natural, strong and healthy Welteweight by the horns and just working him.

    Now that was very suspicious to me, and though I had my suspicion, I kept them to myself seeing as you said, (no one has any proof, you cant condemn a man based on just performance)

    Then came the Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations, "the fight is about to be signed" it was all over the media.
    The fight is done its just a formality to work out the last kinks in the negotiations.

    .....let me add before I proceed that there had already been a rumor in the press that Mayweather was demanding additional drug tests. When Freddy Roach was approached about this (this was before Pac's refusal) he laughed it off and said in egotistical fashion, "Manny will take any test he wants."

    ......then the fight is off because Pacquiao is refusing to go through random blood and urine tests which btw were proposed by Mayweather at the comencement of the negotiations. This was'nt a last minute thing to force the call off of the fight. That stipulation by Mayweather was there from the beggining.

    The fight is off, why? We are told Pac is afraid of needles, Pac gets weak when blood is drawn.
    after Pac looks like a bafoon coming up with those excuses..........here comes Roach trying to put some order to the caos and disorderly conduct of Pacquiao's team by stating "we will not let Mayweather dictate to us drug protocol procedure."

    ......the only problem being is that Roach himself had already stated earlier that "Manny will take any drug test he wants."
    .....and the Pac teams bafoonish excuses had already become public record.

    Certainly Empiricix, Pacquiao has never failed a drug test. So there is'nt that kind of proof that would stand up in a court of law.......

    .....but certainly also the comportment of the fighter, his trainers, and Pac's own followers cannot be ignored here.
    Certainly you cannot expect everyone to pretend that all of Pac's excuses which btw came later from Pac, "he is bigger than me, if I was bigger than him, then the blood tests would benefit me.":patsch
    Pacquiao said this on the Jimmy Kimmel show and has gone on to repeat it a few times.:!:

    .......Imo you'd have to be a complete bafoon, in denial, or both, to say that there is'nt any good reason to be not only suspicious, but "highly suspicious" of Manny Pacquiao being a PED user.



    Those lame excuses did it for me. I dont know what Pacquiao could do to repair that stigma of lame excuses.
    Thats something very difficult to repair, but he certainly can start by taking the full random tests that Mayweather has proposed and without any test windows.


    Btw, the *******s have disregarded the explanation I just gave you by stating I've been a Pac hater all along.
    .....that my opinion because of it has no merit.

    ..... anyone on this forum can look up my record before this controversy to find that I was posting on this board right after the Cotto fight giving Pacquiao the allcollades and stating my suprise as to how Pacquiao was able to to take Cotto by the horns and work him.
    My posts indicated that I was very impressed by that and that Pacquiao deserved the credit.

    .......then came Pacquiao's climb to excuseville.
     
  15. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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