Yahoo poll....Pavlik vs Calzaghe

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I agree with you here totally. Calzaghe isn't as elusive as his fans will have everyone believe. Pavlik has been painted with an image of being one-dimensional for some reason. For anyone who has seen him fight prior to Miranda they know that he is not one-dimensional and is very sound and technical in his boxing.

You are right, the jab will tell the story of this fight and the Right hand will most likely be the final chapter to that story :good

I only used the Hopkins/Taylor comparison to counter the posters claiming Pavlik wasn't in his class or would be dominated.

 

B+ too. He beat Taylor's ass so don't give me that bull****, you aren't convincing me he ever won those fights

I could even make a case he looked a lot better at LHW

 

Interesting post! I can see where you are coming from and think you're reflecting what Kessler must have felt but didn't mention more than one or two times in public (the hit and grab/hold thing). Question is IMO: Does Pavlik own a footwork fast enough to deal with Calzaghe should Calzaghe decide to fight from the outside, somewhat similar to what he did against Kessler? Do we have any clear examples of Pavlik's ability to change tactics as a fight progresses?

 

logout friend....no seriously logout:hi:

 

Pavlik has never changed tactic mid-fight, and he hasn't needed to against some very poor opposition up until Taylor. There is no evidence he has the adaptability to match Calzaghe. Even if Pavlik starts off ok, once Joe adjusts as usual I seriously doubt whether Pavlik will have anything in response

 

That's funny, because Taylor won those two fights using the same scoring criteria as did Joe's judges who scored for him.

All 3 fights, BHop lands fewer but cleaner, harder more powerful shots, but both Taylor and Calz out work him.

 

How do YOU know what criteria the judges were using?

Don't even compare the two, Calzaghe landed the most shots ever on Hopkins. Taylor didn't win a damn thing in there by any criteria, his "wins" were debated to death on here because we all know whats up.

 

He looked good against Tarver at Lt Heavy because Tarver didn't do **** :deal
He did not look good against Fat Winky and he looked like an old man vs Joe. :good

So Hopkins is a B+ fighter is what your saying? So has Joe ever faced anybody who is an "A" fighter???? :huh If not, how do you know how he would fare if he did?

 

Once again Kelly Pavlik accomplished in 1 year what it took The Cardiff Ice Rink Champ Joe Calzaghe do in 11 years....which is beat 3 good fighters..stop letting ballsweat cloud your judgement.....It's a fact even Boxrec will confirm it just incase you havent actually been paying attention....
Joe Calzaghe has the most padded record in the history of the sport, part of this is do to the worst promoter in the world Frank Warren, but mostly it's Joes lack of balls...."oooh wow Joe just came to the states and beat a senior ****ing citizen" Hooo****inray

There is a REAL british champ he goes by the name of David Haye(he doesnt slap or wrestle(Hatton) either) sadly he's the least popular of the 3....this should be a good indicator as to where brits have their heads....completely up their ass

Cheers

 

Kessler was a level above Hopkins, it was the stylistic advantage that Hopkins enjoyed that made the fight closer looking and uglier. That said, I still had both scored by the same margin

So whats the deal here? I'm supposed to believe that weight was never an issue for Hopkins, when he struggles (but beats) Taylor, then he suddenly jumps up 2 weight classes and whatdyaknow? He totally dominates "the man". Coincidence? Bull****ing****

I was being generous with the B+ rating. Really Taylor is more like B, after losing to B+ fighters like Hopkins and Pavlik

I hope you weren't hinting at Pavlik at being an A level

 

Pavlik won't have to change gears with Calzaghe. All he has to do is work behind a very hard, forceful jab. It has to be a stepping jab. He has to put his body weight behind it and really make Calzaghe feel it.

We already know what to expect from Calzaghe. He will try and keep out of range and jump in, throw his slaps and tie up. And he'll try and do that all night.

Pavlik's jab should be strong and long enough to keep Calzaghe off balance and keep him out of grabbing distance. Calzaghe being a southpaw will try and use the left counter over the jab. But Pavlik is real keen on keeping his right high when throwing the jab. That should nullify Calzaghe's left.

When Calzaghe does manage to get inside Pavlik should just grab him first. Beat him at his own game. If he stops Calzaghe on the outside with his jab and neutralizes Calzaghe's slap and grab routine inside he'll completely shut Calzaghe out.

 

Taylor landed more than Bhop by a mile, and Taylor never suffered a KD in either fight. Joe landed more than Taylor, but both landed more than Bhop by a mile in all 3 respective fights.

 

One of the most interesting aspects of this fight lies in the fact that it generally takes both guys 3 or 4 rounds to really get going. Neither is a slow starter in the sense of needing a few feeling out rounds, but both guys tend to take a few rounds to really get in their groove. If Pavlik can change things up a bit, jump right on Joe and hurt him early, he can make it an easy and short night, because if Pavlik hurts ya, you're doomed! However, I doubt if that is very likely.

The mistakes Joe makes are the key to a Pavlik victory. A right hand like Kelly's is a southpaw's worst nightmare, and Joe is very susceptible to right hands. Joe has a tendency to square up right in front of his opponent. He does that and then starts winging wide "shoe-shine" type punches (slaps.) Everytime he does that, Pavlik will throw both hands right up the middle. Joe likes to dig into the body with his left. Against a guy with Pav's build he will probably see body punches as crucial. However, when Joe throws those body shots he leaves the whole right side of his head and face wide open. Pavlik has stopped guys cold with left hooks. Joe also throws a lot of quick little punches to the head and face that having nothing on them. Here again, he squares up in front of his opponent when he does that, and leaves his mid-section wide open. Pavlik, does not get much credit for it, but the truth is he is a murderous body puncher.

There is something about Pavlik that hardly anyone ever mentions, not even his most ardent supporters, that shows how little most people actually know about his career. Earlier in his career he was known for being a viscious body puncher, and put a serious emphasis on the importance of body work. I'll be the first to admit that McKart was way past his best when they fought, and was never on a level with Joe, BUT in 54 fights no one had stopped him, and he most certainly had enough left to give most "B" level fighters a rough night. It was a pavlik lead right to the body that led directly to Bronco suffering his first KO loss. And it was a body shot in the 11th that essentially sealed the deal in the second Taylor fight. Those are just two examples.

Kelly did not throw a lot of body shots in his last few fights, but that does not mean he has forgotten how. Joe frequently leaves his entire mid-section wide open, and that will be a significant part of his demise against pavlik. All this will lead to Pavlik stopping Joe inside 10 rounds.

 

If only he wasn't as slow as a rock too eh!