Ya'll Only Feel Comfortable Calling the Fab 4 ATG's

yes. he had a ridiculous streak of wins...over 100. but the key to his streak was that he skipped the races where he thought he would lose...or there would be a challenge.

that's floyd.

 

The best way of judging a fighter is to see his level of competition, who he beat.

Not on how he looks, how slick he is etc.

PBF may possibly be at that level (he is damn damn good) but he has not fought that level of competition.

Really.

He hasn't.

Imagine him at 154 vs John 'The Beast' Mugabi.

 

yes! i have duran as the best lightweight ever and higher on the p4p atg rankings than leonard.

and yes!!! floyd would never fight a guy like hagler.

hell...there a guy out there now 'like' hagler...but not as proven in golovkin...but we know floyd won't fight him.

 

He's definitely an ATG but you've gotta admit that he would have had a tough time with either of the Fab 4 (I like to include Benitez as the 5th Fab) if he fought in their era. Personally, I think he could have pulled off a win against Duran by boxing him and not getting into a slugfest like SRL did in Montreal...and I love me some Duran. :smooch That may not be a popular opinion, but it's mine...SRL/FMJ would have been a classic. Hard to bet against Sugar in that fight, though. But I think the one who would have given Floyd fits was Hearns. I shouldn't even have to go into specifics but it would have been a great fight to watch. Thing is, Floyd's ring IQ is right up there with the best of them, so, no - Floyd would not be an easy fight for anyone, but we have to look at it objectively. Boxing was mad different back then. The best fought the best. It just seemed like MF's didn't give a damn about anything but fighting. Not so today. And, yes, I saw it live...gave away my age right there :roll: but that's ok...We also have to realize that Floyd would have either had to fight those guys to be considered the best or been laughed out of town at his claims to be TBE, but I think in that day and age, he would have fought them. He would have had no choice. There weren't all of these hang-ups like we see now. Records didn't really mean as much back then...kind of seemed like a loss was a badge of honor, of sorts. Came with the territory. Fight enough MF's and you're bound to lose to one of them. And it made a fighter come back even stronger. I like Floyd and can appreciate his boxing ability enough to know that he will never be one to be taken lightly, no matter who is standing across the ring from him. Go back and watch some of Floyd's earlier fights at 130-135...I mean, damn, dude was nice. I don't necessarily like everything he does, but I don't have to...but with all of that being said, it is very possible that he would have taken an L at the hands of one of those greats. Prime vs prime is very intriguing...but we'll never know, mi gente.

 

See this is a great and honest answer without hating or "nut hugging" as the kids call being a fan now.. I fully agree with this.. Floyd would have a great chance with just about any WW in history because he's a great boxer with genius ring iq.. You won't ever see him just sit there and get beat down because he's smart in the ring.. You hit him with a punch he he didn't like, he'll find a way to make you not throw that punch anymore...

 

:rofl
Sounds familiar

 

Neither De La Hoya nor Canelo was worse than Duran at 154. Deal with it.

 

Those guys at 154 were no joke in Duran's time. And that's considering he came in out of shape half the time. Guys like Fernando Vargas, Alfredo Angulo, and Erislandy Lara couldn't hold a candle stick to Tommy Hearns, Wilfredo Benitez, and Davey Moore for that matter

 

Erislandy Lara is better than Davey Moore and Kirkland Laing.
Vargas was better than Kirkland and Moore's equal, but with a better resume.

 

Damn i thought you were a big floyd man.

 

Margarito shouldn't be even in the top 50 welterweight list, hell he's not even a top atg Mexican fighter. But doesn't mean p4p fighters haven't ducked non p4p fighters before. Even Robinson was in general known to have ducked Burley, but Robinson gets a pass because he beat every atg he faced, he didn't take perfectly timed vacations or make silly demands or accusations to his fellow atgs. Real champions don't do that, they supposed to display courage. Floyd has a questionable win to Castillo, a non atg fighter, tho I've always thought Castillo is underrated. Other fighters like Starling, Aaron Davis, Donald Curry, Lloyd Honeyghan, Julio Cesar Vasquez, and other non atgs would have given Floyd a good scare or taken that 0 away. Barkley was very good in his prime, has 2 wins over Hearns and close loss to Duran. Many, many hof fighters worthy of beating many atg fighters. The reason Floyd doesn't get the respect The Fab 4 does is because he won't even face the best from his division. He makes 154 fighters dehydrate and 140 or smaller fighters blow up. He already has many advantages over Pacquiao and still won't fight him. Uncle Roger even claimed Pacquiao fights like an amateur, so have at it, right? More reason to fight Pacquiao.

 

Guys, guys.. Go easy on Bieber.