Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JackSilver, Oct 10, 2021.
It's quite funny that you call a list bad, because it includes Louis inside top 10
IS He, see below.
Didn't you read the title of the thread ?!
This is about H2H, not resume.
Edit: do you really believe that beating someone as mediocre as Wilder makes Fury a better h2h fighter than Louis? Seriously?
Where did you come up with this crap ?!????
Size does come in into it, just as skill, speed, power, stamina do. They all matter and you can't eliminate them.
No they are not. Only you support this delusion. What next, are you gonna strip Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali of their speed ?!?!
What does this stupid list mean ?!?
Fury beats most of them, some with ease.
He said he was better than Wlad but he didn't have it in him, himself, to do what Wlad did and stay around and in shape and keep showing up for year after year for all those fights. That's why he'll never be in that league. He doesn't have a George Foreman or a Joe Frazier to beat to compensate for being MIA during his best years and using his great talent as Wlad did. So, without the quality, or the quantity and consistency and dominance, we get a sporadic talent show and not greatness. That's it. He's closer to the late twenties than anything, for me. Which is great...but not that great.
Name the 10 he's better than. H2h. I disagree with that line of thought.
It's the list of lineal champions. You should know the absolute basics of boxing history if you post here...
Duh. And the sky is blue. Wtf man ?!?
Everyone can see it's the list of lineal champs, but what does it mean in the context of this thread, why did he bring it up ?!?
That's what I was asking about
Outboxing Wladamir Klitschko, and outpunching Deontay Wilder, is a very good start to a great resume, or a demonstration of great head to head ability.
However, his credentials still hang on four fights, and two opponents.
That makes him very vulnerable to either of those opponents getting downgraded.
His next fight will probably be against Whyte, who will provide an interesting test, and a very different kind of opponent.
Usky and Joshua could also provide interesting tests.
Just one observation however.
Joe Louis fought 31 men ranked in the top ten, and is constantly criticized because he sometimes struggled against them.
Tyson Fury has exactly 4 fights against men ranked in the top ten, and 3 of them were called Deontay Wilder.
So far so good, but he is playing with the big boys now!
Maybe he wanted to remind you that Fury isn't the first champion of the world (and he's not even undisputed). I hate to say this, but recency bias is very strong in this forum. Some people believe that Fury is H2H nightmare for anyone and that Usyk is the most skilled boxer in HW history...
Nobody said that he is.
Fury is a H2H nightmare for anyone. That don't mean he's also gonna win every fight.
And Usyk is a very skilled boxer, but very few think he's the most skilled ever.
We base it on two things:
- his thin resume built on wins against old Wladimir (very impressive) and mediocre Wilder,
- his size.
Let's be honest, Fury wouldn't be seen as a nightmare without his size. He may be the nightmare, but I don't think he has shown us enough to call him ATG in historical sense h2h. He's certainly unique fighter with good skills and he's smart but we've never seen him fighting top competition against various styles.
Neither would Ali or Mike Tyson without their speed. Neither would Foreman without his power.
It is what it is. I never said Fury would be great without his size