Yeah you knew it was coming. Where do you rankTyson Fury in h2h?

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  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, I don't think Ruiz would beat him, and it's not a given that Joshua would beat him. Povetkin maybe, maybe not.
    The thing is with Wilder, even in fights where he looked poor against poor opposition, he came through with something brutal.
    And Luis Ortiz, despite his age, was actually a good contender and a skilled southpaw, with a decent chin, and Wilder took care of him twice.

    Monster puncher, with tons of heart, long reach, awkward style. Wilder's a serious opponent for anyone.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    Tyson Fury would be hard to beat for most HWs ever. Very impressive how he can get up from being put down hard and take charge of the fight within seconds. Lots of willpower, toughness and skill.
    His resume is thin but he hasn't lost to any chumps either.
     
  3. NoNeck

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    You seem a little disgruntled today, Georgie. Wilder's draw with Fury impresses me. That would be like getting a draw with 70s Ali.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

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    It'd only be impressive if he deserved it. Which he didn't.

    Furthermore, that'd put him on the same level as the likes of Young and Shavers. Hardly something which would be among the top three wins of any heavyweight ever.
     
  5. NoNeck

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    I’ll respect your viewpoint once you show me a contender who got dropped in separate rounds under the ten point must system and walked away with a W via decision over the champion. I’ll permaban myself if you find one who did it while only landing more than 10 punches in one round out of 12.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

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    Do you want it to be under a certain phase of the moon? What about making sure the fighter's mothers' maiden names are the same?

    I'll respect your viewpoint when you admit a draw - which should be a loss - against Tyson Fury does not make a fighter a great one. It certainly doesn't mean they're one of the the three best wins by any heavyweight.
     
  7. scandcb

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    Then you are very easily impressed.
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    Tyson Fury is actually quite incredible. It was visibly obvious that he wasn't in the same shape for Wilder 3 as he'd been for Wilder 2, and coming off inactivity against a stronger version of Wilder. Got decked twice, got up and punished him.
    The excuses made for some of this forum's fave HWs' defeats, Fury has all those excuses and more, but he hasn't yet needed them because he keeps winning.
    Honestly, when he was off for over 2 years and walking around close to 400 pounds, drinking and snorting cocaine, that was enough to end any chance of regaining his career.
    Some of this forum's "ATG" favourites fell by the wayside and the excuses are rolled out when anyone mentions they were defeated, but Fury overcomes all these imperfections so far, and wins.

    Granted, he needs a few more wins against good opposition to really qualify, but people need to appreciate what he's done. In history, there are not many who have done what he's done.
     
  9. White Bomber

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    No, it does not.
    Ali's win over Liston at best equates to Fury's win over W. Klitschko. Both Liston and Wlad were old, but at least Wlad trained properly, Liston did not.

    Yes, Fury also resorts to this tactic, but not to the same extent as Ali.

    In terms of greatness, absolutely. H2H,the difference ain't that big.
    They are both among the top 5 punchers ever at HW, yet both are also very limited boxers and have stamina issues.
    Foreman has the edge in overall skill and he's the more versatile puncher:
    - he can punch hard with both hands, not just with the right as Wilder;
    - he has a better jab, better uppercuts;
    - he has better ring generalship.
    Wilder has a huge edge in speed, Foreman was slow as ****.
    Funny thing is that, as limited as Wilder is, he'd beat many old timers ATGs

    I respect Patterson, Norton and Lyle, they were very good boxers. But I still give Fury the edge over them.
    Ellis and Quarry were decent too. But Fury still beats them no problem.
    The rest don't stand a chance against him. Please don't ever mention Folley, he's the bum of bums, a total joke.
    But you are right that Fury doesn't have them on his resume.
     
  10. Tonto62

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    To put Fury in perspective,I don't think he is anymore talented than the new Cuban up and comer Frank Sanchez,but he has size and reasonable speed to go with his boxing.That's a pretty hard combination to overcome.
     
  11. 70sFan865

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    That's my point. Fury has almost nothing else on his resume.
    Stop it, your opinion is delusional here :D
    That's not the point, my point is that Fury has nobody like them on his resume outside of Klitschko and Wilder.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

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    Ali's win over Liston is miles above Fury's over Wlad lmao
     
  13. White Bomber

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    Why ?!
    Liston was older than stated, had been living a party life, and did not train properly for the fight. He also got injured during the fight.
    Wlad was also old, but at least he was very professional in his approach and trained properly.
     
  14. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Deontay is still very much a factor, and that should be obvious after the display of both punching power and heart in the last fight. That said, I personally believe AJ has a decent chance of beating Deontay...as long as he completely avoids that right.

    AJ would get stopped by Fury in the last rounds imo.
     
  15. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    To me there's no comparison there. 40 year old Wlad....and let's face it, does anybody really think either man looked good in that fight?