Yes, Floyd Has Skills.......but

Okay...... Bernard Hopkins was the number one p4p in the world when he fought Delehoya and they only did 1,000,000 ppv buys..... And please don't give me bull**** excuse of "If only they would of had a 24/7" it would have been the same numbers.... Fact is, good or bad, Floyd is a compelling figure with a interesting background that draws the casual and non-casual fan to him

You haters are getting more and more desperate and pathetic. :-(

 

His numbers weren't low. Compared to DLH? Sure....so is everyone else. But compared to most everyone else they were pretty high.

 

Don't ask leading questions. If you have proof otherwise, just post them.

BTW, 2007 had the biggest PPV of all time by a large margin and is part of this debate to begin with. So why don't you show me 2003 vs 2006.

 

why dont you post the evidence. your the one disputing the fact that ppv numbers are up. and not very well i might add.

 

Add what you please, makes no difference to me whether the person I am debating with thinks I am presenting a good argument. Especially since all I have seen from you so far is that "people suddenly have more access to PPV now than they did in 90's" when it's been around for years and everyone had TV's then as much as they do now.

You were the one who brought up that PPV numbers are up, so you prove it. I dispute the claim based sheerly on the fact that there is far less coverage in the US for the sport of boxing since 2000 or so.

 

No, actually, they weren't. No one is claiming that he go the vast majority of PPV numbers.

DLH's numbers are low, very low, compared to what you are claiming he did ALL ON HIS OWN for the PBF fight. Even if 24/7 made a huge difference, both DLH AND PBF were on that show, so PBF would get some credit for selling the PPV.

Are you trying to tell me that 1 million more people than usual tuned into a PPV because they watched 24/7. There is no way that 1 million extra fans who weren't interested in boxing before became interested through 3-4 shows on HBO.

 

so its allright for you to make claims without proof but no one else should dare. and do you really think im going to take the time to search for a link to satisfy someone who argues against logic like that. boxing is setting records with less coverage. riiiiiiight

 

You made the initial claim. I disputed it. Simple as. Deflection is not a valid counterpoint. If you had facts to back up your initial claim, or even a line of logic to substantiate it, please present it.

Lets see....if boxing is less popular in the US, and is therefore getting less coverage, the PPV buys would be UP? Yeah, that's sound logic.

 

yea, that sounds about as bad as me saying 2007 broke records in buys but boxing is recieving less coverage. how stupid of me.

 

Nice try, but that was the point to begin with now wasn't it? Boxing broke records because it had a record breaking PPV in 2007....No other fight pulled huge #'s and I think only ONE broke 400k. With boxing being DOWN in coverage over the years (there is no disputing this, it isn't even mentioned in the states in newspapers, barely mentioned on ESPN, and is not available on any free network like it once was), DLH's #'s couldn't have gone up due to only his effort when boxing in fact was MORE popular in the states during his biggest PPV. So PBF must have something to do with it.

You take away DLH's PPV and this year drops drastically. It was because of that PPV that 2007 is high, and we are discussing WHY that PPV did so well. On top of this, MANY more fights are available on PPV now than before. That is a major complaint of the casual fan, that more fights aren't FREE.

 

I never said 1 million. I said 30%. I certainly do believe that PBF was responsible for close to a 1/3 of the PPV. Whether or not they liked him and bought it or hated him and bought it to see him get KO'd.

 

Yeah.... But don't the particular fighters and their personalities have alot to do with what makes these 24/7 shows so interesting? In the first 24/7, if you substitute Floyd with lets say Winky, do you honestly think they would have done the same ppv numbers?

 

I never said 1 million fans tuned in to see PBF. Don't try to spin what I said. I said 1 million more fans didn't tune in because of 24/7:deal

And it's not a new number

That's from page 5.

Now, the point is, even if 24/7 increased PBF's popularity, it didn't add a million viewers. And of the viewers it DID add, PBF was part of that, which is what we are debating here right?

 

if someone is watching the fight on tv, it is being covered. it may not be on broadcast tv or espn but it is getting covered. the only difference is that the money is coming from ppv buys instead of the networks money. every year more and more people are willing to shell out their hard earned cash to view a boxing match. that is why 2007 broke records. i dont understand how you can dispute the fact that more homes have access to ppv now than in the past, which is what this disagreement was about. what floyd has to do with our particular disagreement, i have no idea but you may want to reread your post where you bring up deflection.

 

Read my whole post. You tried to play semantics. Saying 1 million people didn't tune in because of 24/7 and suddenly become new boxing fans is not anywhere near like saying PBF was responsible for 1 million more viewers. We all know DLH has done over 1 million before on his own.