Yes Guerrero is "Taking the test" Floyd is cleaning up the sport !!!!!!!!

Manny has not once said he dug his heels in because of the way he had been treated, that's an excuse his fans made for him and ran with. If I'm wrong, please show me where he stated anything like this.

Manny was so upset at how Floyd treated him, that he wanted to negotiate a cutoff on DRUG TESTING, just so he wouldn't give into Floyd's demands? Nah, I don't buy that either. You don't negotiate a cutoff on random tests, kills the whole purpose.

Again, it's not I'll do whatever you want... It's agreeing to Floyds demands, like Floyd agreed to yours. You guys act like Floyd was the only one making demands.

The power and satisfaction of fighting him in the ring after both insured they're clean? I mean seriously, Pac gave Floyd way more power by ducking and dodging random blood and urine testing up to the fight.. If he agreed up front they'd both take the tests, and we might see it once on 24/7 like we have with the rest of Floyd's opponents.. But now we have years and years of debates, because Pacs team said no problem then refused to agree for years.

You don't negotiate a cutoff on random blood and urine testing.. Defeats the whole purpose.. Certain things just shouldn't be negotiated.. That's like Floyd trying to negotiate the amount per pound he'd pay over 147... If he tried, the immediate reaction would be "Floyd is thinking about coming in heavy, why else would he want to negotiate a smaller amount for it?" And it would be a deserved reaction.

It tells you that because you want to believe that... I wanted to as well.. But then Pac said he'd take less than 50/50 to make the fight happen, as he knew he wasn't worth 50/50 anymore.. Floyd made an offer, I agree one Manny shouldn't have taken.. But then Manny comes back with 50/50 or no fight.. That's pretty much what he did with the drug testing.. Say it was no problem, Floyd puts it in the contract, they then completely change their stance and we get no fight.

 

If both fighters had've been happy, everybody would have worked together. There was so much money at stake.

 

pac never fails a test and is a dirty drug cheat

peterson, berto, soliman, holt test positive and somehow the tests were "wrong"

chavez tests positive for weed and douche bags say its "only weed" rather than acknowledge its a banned substance

hypocrisy at an all time high!

 

you really dont understand how arum works. he didnt even want to do the oscar/floyd fight because of his delahoya grudge, after marquez outboxed him there was no way arum was letting pac in there

 

What proof?

He didn't say no to the fight, he just didn't bend over for Floyd and agree to all of his demands at first. I wonder why?

We know that Manny agreed to everything in the end.

So do you think it was a coincidence, that at the start he refused, after Floyd had accused him of cheating?

You don't need to be a detective to work out what happened.

Manny showed defiance.

But he wanted the fight, so started to negotiate.

 

Not accepting 50/50 because he deserves more? Manny and his team walked away from the final negotiations like the first ones.. They're the ones who said 50/50 or no fight, as well as something about a stadium and cut and jail sentence and whatever...

:huh Floyd said in the ring after the fight that all future opponents would have to take random blood and urine without cutoff, like he and Shane did.. I'm not comparing what other fighters agreed to, I'm telling you what Floyd set his standard at in the ring on PPV. There was no negotiating a cutoff after this, Floyd plain as day said it.

Drug testing in professional combat sports will always be a minor stipulation to me. No fighter will ever get a pass for ducking extra testing in combat sports, there is no reason on this earth that could be given to me as a valid excuse.

Guess I'm not sure what you're talking about then.. You talking about first negotiations? Because I'm quite sure both sides agreed to it then.. Only other time purse was brought up was the final negotiations, the one where Manny said he'll take less than 50/50 then changed to 50/50 or no fight. What guarantee did Manny ask, that made Floyd go silent?

Nobody can guess the magnitude of the fight... What will the ticket prices be, as Pac and Mayweather charge different prices at the gate? The people who did the numbers are not on the inside, so they don't know what was negotiated... How much would the PPV be, because both of them charge different PPV amounts as well?

Pac shouldn't have accepted 40 million guarantee, because there's no way to know what the fight would have made.. But Pac should have tried to negotiate a split, instead backing off to 50/50 or no fight when he knew Floyd wasn't going for that AND already stated he'd take less to make the fight. So that could also mean a lot when you see how they tried to negotiate.

 

Purse split wasn't agreed to, not sure why you guys keep saying everything was agreed to.. Pac knew he wasn't worth 50/50 as he said he's willing to take a lesser share to make the fight.. Yet in the end his stance was 50/50 or no fight.... What does that tell you?

 

Or one could say he got himself off the PEDS, and after a few fights without it was confident enough to face Floyd... What's the argument for that?

Not saying it's true.. But that could be the case just as much as him having a change of heart and finally wanting to agree.

 

he showed defiance because he didnt want the fight, ultimately. he only agreed to full testing after he lost atsch so there goes that

 

Are you ****ing serious???

They accused Manny of cheating, and then Floyd demanded him to be tested all the way up to the fight, despite having no proof, and never demanding it from ANY other opponent? atsch

What did you think Manny was going to say to that?

"Why certainly King Floyd, no problem. I'll do anything you ask."

Get in the real world.

I'd love to see your reaction if it was vice versa.

If Manny had accused Floyd of cheating and demanding OSDT with no proof.

This ****ing site would go into meltdown.

You'd be going crazy, and you know it!

 

Home now, won't be as active in the thread.. I'm sure it'll be another thread to entertain me at work tomorrow!

Some of you offer good back and forth.. I don't agree with all of what you're saying, but you can hold a decent debate and articulate what you're trying to get across without resulting to insults immediately. Will most likely debate with you in the future, **** probably on the same subject matter. :good

Hey, the Pac fans made my work day go by super quick. This thread was needed!

 

these ****s should be embarrassed for making excuse for their coward hero floyd. his place in history will always be questioned because he was scared to fight manny pacquio

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absolute piece of **** to get round drug testing, its only ignorance that gets them caught.

 

Nah, Gabe Montoya already did that here.. Said Floyd failed USADA tests and GBP was covering it up..

The reaction from Floyd fans? -Where's the proof? USADA has posted results on their website for the tests, all say passed.. We have nothing else to go off, so show us where he's failed..-

Reaction from the rest of ESB? -Oooh, told yall. Floyd a dirty mofo, private contracts! We don't need no proof from Gabe, Floyd needs to release documents even more than USADA putting on their own website that he's passed each test.-

Needless to say the proof never surfaced.. So yeah, Floyd has been accused of cheating without proof.. His fans asked for proof to be shown, none could. He's taking the random blood and urine tests, all we can really ask for. All Manny had to do was take the tests to prove he's clean as well, as it would be the only way... Instead he decided to sue.

 

the truth about floyd vs pac , 2 minutes, telling it like it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTKvTEuGvJY