Yes Guerrero is "Taking the test" Floyd is cleaning up the sport !!!!!!!!

its manny's fault for letting arum ignore all of golden boy's calls to make the fight happen once he did agree

 

Divi253,

Ha! This made me laugh out loud.

Why the **** would Manny EVER declare something like that to the public?

Did you expect Manny to agree to all of Floyd's ODST demands all the way up to the fight, when Floyd had never asked such a thing before, and Floyd and his family had accused Manny of cheating?

Manny was obviously upset, hence why he ended up suing for defamation of character.

But he obviously wanted the fight, so he started negotiating.

It's called the power of negotiation, one-upmanship.

They had back and forth negotiations.

The fight never got made, because in the end Floyd was never satisfied with EVERYTHING.

I LOVE HOW YOU SPIN THINGS.

Floyd is responsible for the fight not taking place.

Do some research. It's ****ing easy to see when you weigh everything up and look objectively.

Once again, Floyd turned pro in 1996. The difference in years between 96 and 2009, is 13 years.

It took 13 years for a beacon of light to hit Floyd.

The reason Manny negotiated, even after he'd been accused, is because HE WANTED the fight. But everything wasn't going to be on Floyd's terms. Why can't you see that? He wasn't going to give Floyd all of that power by just agreeing to everything.

Floyd wanted him to be tested everyday up to the fight. Manny said NO, but......

In the end over a period of time, it became apparent to Manny that Floyd was never going to back down and change his stance.

So he agreed to everything.

But it wasn't enough, which PROVES to me that Floyd NEVER really WANTED the fight.

You've just contradicted yourself. What you've said doesn't make an ounce of sense.

If Manny had agreed initially to all of Floyd's demands, then it would be the same as him giving in and saying I'll do whatever you want.

Do you know what the word compromise means?

Can't you not see that Manny's demands, were in direct RESPONSE to Floyd's initial demands? Manny probably wouldn't have demanded anything if Floyd hadn't initially.

How hard is that to figure out?

He wasn't going to be dictated to!

You're saying if he'd have agreed up front, we'd have seen it on 24/7

He wasn't going to AGREE to EVERYTHING, because that would have been giving into a guy who had accused him of cheating with no proof and putting a slur on his name. We're going around in circles here.

If he hadn't have NEGOTIATED he'd have given into Floyd straight away, and he was NEVER going to do that. How many more times?

The question you need to be asking, is why Floyd suddenly wanted to clean up the sport in 2009 after 13 years as a pro?

I agree with what you've said here.

They began point scoring over each other. But Floyd created the mess to start with. Now we've got people on here asking why Floyd's other opponents have been happy with the testing, yet Manny wasn't. They can't seem to tell the difference between the two very different scenarios.

 

:rofl

 

It would have been THE BIGGEST grossing fight of all time. Money doesn't talk, it swears!

Everyone would have worked together if it had been possible. They might even have been a rematch or even a 3rd fight. (obviously depending on the outcome.)

 

I think I'm about done. You can find countless interviews where Floyd admits of being scared of getting in the ring with Pacquiao. He has never once before or since talked about another fighter like he did and continues to still do of Pac. To say that Mayweather wasn't hesitant to get in the ring is ignoring what not only Mayweather has said himself but also twisting the facts to make it seem like it was all Manny's fault. Believe what you want, but I know for a fact in Floyd's long career he was never hesitant to step in the ring with anyone but Pacquiao. I'm not going to believe that Mayweather would have ever come to terms with everything simply because his actions and words spoke otherwise.

 

It's Manny's fault for not agreeing to everything.

Turned down 50-50 and 14-days to fight Joshua Clottey. Now he's got Simba trying to wake him up in gifs everywhere

 

did i say floyd wasn't hesitant? both he and pac were hesitant, thankfully its the promoters that make the deal and sign the fights, not the fighters FACT is that manny let arum ignore floyd's side when they tried making the fight

 

arum doesnt care about money when he holds a grudge

 

:deal

 

Divi253,

I agree with you on this, like I mentioned in my last post. But at that point, the damage had already been done.

That's fine. But Floyd's opponents after that point, hadn't been racially abused and being accused of cheating. Manny was labelled a yellow, rice eating Asian midget, who was also a drugs cheat. So Floyd's opponents going into the fight, knew the score, so there was no issue.

Why didn't Floyd ask for the same stipulations BEFORE 2009?

Here we go again. I'm all for drug testing, if it's done in proper professional manner. You see it as Manny DUCKING, but me and a lot of others see it as Manny sticking two fingers up, and saying "Who are you, to be telling me what to do?"

If it had been a legal requirement, that EVERY FIGHTER had to be tested in that way, and Manny refused, then fine, I'd be the first one to jump on him. But what happened was, Floyd said "Take the test you cheat!" Manny told him where to go. That's not ducking a test, that's telling Floyd to get ****ed.

It's more than a valid reason, after the way Floyd went about it.

There's various sources online. I always believed that Floyd should have got the bigger share. I read them a few weeks ago. Floyd said he could have 50-50, Manny asked for a guarantee, and then a few months later Floyd gave interviews explaining why he couldn't give it to him.

There's various links online.

This is one of them.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...XMx4Eg&usg=AFQjCNFzCi1Gwy4HRpRU0yaz32g2c7CPAQ

See above.

Again I agree. Manny was also at fault.

 

I assume he'd say it because you keep using it as an excuse.. If you can't produce anything with him saying it, then why should anyone believe it's HIS reason? Again, what reason did Pac give for not accepting the testing?

The video with Manny giving blood 14 days before the Hatton fight surfaced and Floyd went down to a 14 day cutoff.. Pacs team fought Clottey. So no, he didn't want him to be tested every day until the fight.. Not going to debate with you if you're going to start completely making stuff up.

Floyd asked for 10 oz gloves.. No ****ing clue why, but he did.. They agreed on 8, so Manny didn't give into everything Floyd demanded. It was drug testing, I will not give a pass to any professional athlete asking for a cutoff on random drug testing.

And no, Manny demanded the 10 million per pound first I'm quite sure.. Making stuff up? :think

It was one thing, you keep saying everything like Floyd had a laundry list of things Manny had to bow down to.

You don't negotiate a drug testing cutoff, sorry. You don't negotiate things to prevent cheating.

You've asked and it's been answered a bunch of times.. He thought Manny was cheating.

Because most grown men don't run and sue when someone talks about them.. Especially one who can legally beat the **** out of the **** talker, only having to prove he's clean like he should be.

 

You act like Floyd came out and bashed Manny immediately, calling him names and ****. That was many videos, and Manny had already not accepted the testing by then. You're combining a large period of time in your posts, not all of this happen back to back to back to back withing a short period of time.

Then why did his team say there was no problem when the demand was first made? Explain the change of heart? That's why a lot of people look at Manny funny.. He didn't immediately say **** you, his team said no problem.. Then requested cutoffs for years.

So you're saying Floyd offered 50/50 but Manny instead wanted a guarantee purse?

Again, that's them guessing on figures. They don't have actual numbers for what the PPV prices and Tickets would be. He's saying the contract from GBP has one PPV price, but then goes on to talk about the Cotto PPV prices and how he could see them being higher. He's not working with set figures, so he doesn't know what the fight would make. None of us do.

 

Holy ****. This is the first time I've seen Loud on the losing side of a debate. :nut

 

wake me up when one of these fighters take part in 24/7 365 days a year random testing