Yes Guerrero is "Taking the test" Floyd is cleaning up the sport !!!!!!!!

Walter White's been supplying Manny!

 

This is has become a circular argument. You already agreed that testing has no effect on the outcome of the fight so there is no justification for Pac turning down 14 day offer period. Which Mayweather conceded to after wanting no cut off but yea he didn't want the fight.

You also purposely ignore the fact that Manny was offered 40 mil guaranteed which takes out a huge portion of the PPV. Manny can't get 40 mil guaranteed and 50/50 split revenue. Plus he was arguably coming off a loss to Marquez. Manny didn't offer a counter offer of 25-30mil and 50/50 split or counter with I take 40 mil guaranteed and if the fight exceed 250mil then I get a % of that since it exceeded expectations. There was no effort from Manny or his team to try and work out a counter offer.

 

What do mean where did Floyd agree?

Where do you think the OSDT demands came from?

Floyd Snr made the accusations, and then Floyd Jnr made his demands.

It's really quite simple. It doesn't need any working out.

 

Are you for real?

Rigo hadn't been insulted and been backed into a corner like Manny. The two scenarios aren't even similar.

Again, you're implying that had Manny taken the initial test, everything would have been ok.

But again, there's nothing to support that theory.

The tests were eventually agreed to, even though no other fighter had ever demanded such a thing, and yet it still wasn't enough to satisfy Floyd.

 

Concrete,

I was saying that in my opinion, the testing was pointless, because I think Floyd should have just fought him without an issue, just like every other opponent of Manny's has done. I think Floyd would have beaten him.

It wouldn't have taken a HUGE amount out of the PPV. The fight had realistic expectations of grossing between $200-300m in PPV. Then there was the gate money.

Of course they didn't make a counter offer. Why the **** would they have? atsch

It was laughed off as a joke.

You CAN'T negotiate with a guy who makes those kinds of demands.

It's impossible!

It's just a complete waste of everybody's time.

 

actually the stipulation for testing came from ellerbe and haymon not floyd, said this many times.

 

Man, you've gotta be ****ing kidding me?

And I wonder who told Ellerbe and Haymon to make the stipulation? Ha!

Mmm, I wonder?

 

not floyd

 

nice one dude

 

Manny is backed into a corner to do something that has no effect on his performance in the ring? What was he exactly backed in the corner for? To show that he was clean? Eliminate any questions about him taking steroids.

There was no problems with the negotiations until Manny backtracked on the testing. They had no problem agreeing to purse, venue, date, glove size, 10 mil penalty, billing. Everything was agreed to when Pac backtracked not Mayweather but Pac. You saying Mayweather *would have* done something to kill the fight anyway is childlike talk. Pac *did* do something to kill the fight after everything was agreed to.

He offered Pac the highest guarantee ever in the history in boxing. Its Pac who was the one who was never satisfied buddy. He is the one turning down the contracts.

 

Yet Mayweather was willing to negotiate with Arum who was talking about building a new stadium for the fight and claiming Pac couldn't fight because he had a cut in his mouth. You can't negotiate with ppl like that but Mayweather tried.

Its real simple, if the fight makes that much then Pac gets a % of that. That's what you negotiate. Of course you would rather make excuses to why Pac would run again. Now Pac will never see anything close to that laughable offer.

At the end of the day he lost out.

 

Ha!

You guys on here need to be on a stage somewhere.

What do you mean not Floyd?

Leonard Ellerbe and Al Haymon work for Floyd.

Ellerbe is Floyd's right hand man.

When Ricky Hatton beat Castillo and then mocked Floyd in the post fight interview, Floyd phoned Ellerbe in a rage and told him to make the fight.

If Ellerbe and Haymon made the stipulation, it was on Floyd's say so.

The order came from FLOYD. :good

 

show me proof he was the one that originally came up with it, because his team has said otherwise. Ill take their word with proof over yours thanks

 

Concrete,

Eliminate any questions? You mean he should have backed down to Floyd's demands to satisfy his big mouth daddy? He didn't have to prove **** to the Mayweather's. These questions of yours are becoming dafter with each post. How was he backed into a corner?

Well lets see.

He was accused of cheating with no proof, and then Floyd demanded OSDT all the way up to the day of the fight. Floyd had never before demanded such a thing in a 13 year career, and neither had any other fighter either. Manny's reputation had been tarnished, hence why he ended up suing for defamation of character. If you can't see how he was backed into a corner, then you need help.

You haven't got a clue!

The cut off was never agreed to at first. But the initial problem was Floyd demanding OSDT in the first place, when nobody else had done such a thing, and Floyd's Snr's accusations were based on a weak theory, and they didn't have an ounce of proof. They had nothing, and later had to apologise. What does that say to you?

My theory of Floyd putting up another roadblock is an educated guess based on his actions. Childlike talk? In the end Manny said "Fine, we'll do what he wants. I agree to all the testing, lets make the fight."

Now that was what Floyd had wanted ALL ALONG. He wanted Manny to comply with his testing demands. So Manny agreed in the end, and what did Floyd do? Did he say "Finally! ok, let's get this on?" No, did he ****!

What he did next, was to completely take the **** when negotiating the split. He offered Manny the flat fee and wanted THE ENTIRE PPV revenue, from a fight that would have smashed the $120m grossed in his own fight with Oscar.

So, Manny agreed to the testing, and then Floyd took the ****, with an offer that was LAUGHED AT!

I mean just think about that for a moment.

Is that the actions of someone who wants to fight?

If Floyd had genuinely wanted the fight, he would never have behaved in such a stupid way.

Those actions are crystal clear PROOF to me that he never wanted it.

Manny had given into him, but it still wasn't ENOUGH!

You're crazy!

He didn't turn down anything. It was too stupid to even turn down. It was laughed at. Floyd WANTING THE ENTIRE PPV money in what would have been the biggest grossing fight EVER was a joke!

He wasn't going to accept the flat fee, to then let Floyd have all the PPV.

What roughly would Floyd have made, with that offer?

The fight had realistic expectations of grossing anything between $200-300m.

He would probably have earned 3 times the amount of Manny, if not more. That was fair wasn't it? Ha!

What do you think would have happened if the roles were reversed?

What do you think Floyd would have said?

It was a ****ing joke, and it just showed what Floyd's intentions were.

He had the opportunity to make the fight, he'd got what he wanted, and then he blew it by being an idiot.

YOU CANNOT negotiate with anybody that acts like that.

 

Concrete,

Mayweather didn't try and make the fight at all.

Lets see how he tried to make it.

1. He ran with his Dad's unsubstantiated claims.

2. He demanded OSDT all the way up to the fight, for the FIRST time in his career, when nobody else had done such a thing.

3. When Manny finally agreed to his demands, he wanted all of the PPV.

Yes, those are clearly the actions of a guy who WANTED the fight. atsch

We're going around in circles, and it seems pretty pointless to continue.

Pac wasn't going to get any PERCENTAGE of the PPV. The offer was, Floyd would have given Manny $40m, and then after the promoters etc had taken their share, Floyd was to receive what ever was left over, from a fight that was expected to gross $200-300m.

IT WAS A ****ING JOKE!

Manny wasn't going to watch Floyd make 3 x the amount he was making. It's ridiculous.

What about Floyd?

Floyd can't compete in any other fight that would have grossed that much.

Floyd's lost out.

Floyd's legacy will always suffer for it.