What are your thoughts on these 2 fighters? Both were popular fighters in Japan that fought at Flyweight, but their careers weren't very long (Ohba died too early and Gushiken retired too soon after a lone loss). I was really surprised to see them on the list along with Hamed, Bowe, and Mancini, considering they aren't very known at all outside boxing purists. Do you think their resume warranted an induction to the HOF?
Gushiken fought at light fly and no chance does he deserve to be a HOFer. Hipsters love him because he looks cool. Ohba, yes you could make a claim for him. He at least beat a few genuinely world class fighters, as well as being in some astounding fights.
Gushiken was great and proved ir throughout his career. fought good opp., was a 15 rd fighter with power to the end. possibbly the best Japanese fighter and ltfly of all time. Fleaman is full of ****.
I don't think it's reasonable to make the case he's the best Japanese fighter of all time (Harada) or light fly (Chang and Yuh). Great mustache though.
Ohba had a great and skilled jab, able to snap it repeatedly and land. He also knew how to go short and long with it. Everything I saw of him was solid, a true world champion.
Depends on how you look at things.I couldn't care less about the IBHOF. They have been inducting debatable-or outright undeserving- fighters for years and years now.If they wanted to stop at the all-time greats where there is more or less a unanimous agreement that the fighters are of that level, even among their detractors...they have been ****ing up for years and years. you only need to have been a heavyweight world champ to get in at some point.Flyweights have it tougher than most, so i ain't complaining if it brings some very good fighters recognition. If you want to go by the stricter outlook and view we hardcore fans tend to have, rather than the Hall's already long established more easy going standards....... Gushiken i would say no, as while he was a very skilled boxer-puncher, he didn't fight consistently solid opposition as a champ(only Alfonso Lopez and Martin Vargas could definitely be argued in that category...maybe one or two others like Pedroza) and he had lacked a big defining win or two. Add to that-for whatever reason-he ended his career and lost his title to a token opponent while in his prime.Gushiken\his camp and supporters have claimed weight making trouble and being burned out with the sport as reasons for the loss, but true or not, it's still bad. He would have needed stronger opponents and a big defining fight or two to really deserve to get in imo.Either that or have moved up Flyweight after the loss and had further success there.IN all honest he should have fought at Flyweight from the start, but that's another debate.Bottom line..retiring when he did makes it tough to argue he had a GREAT career and not just a very good one. Ohba on the other hand did more.He was fighting in a division with quality and depth, was the man there and has some very good wins.On the other hand he died right in the middle of his career and he had not quite had the career defining wins someone like Sal Sanchez had to mitigate that. Villacampo,Chartvanchai, Amores, Hanagata, past prime Chionoi and peak Betulio Gonzalez is a strong run....but there is no dominant win over a Gomez, Danny Lopez or arguably raw Nelson either. Betulio Gonzalez was arguably a better fighter than Danny Lopez, Feather Gomez or face first young Nelson, but that fight was very close, even debatable. Chionoi was past his prime and always more "very good" than great anyway.Ohba's win over him wasn't dominant enough to compare to the Lopez or Gomez wins, though it might be comparable to the Nelson win. Bottom line, Ohba under a stricter criterion, would be a debatable inclusion.If he had manged not to die, put together another clutch of solid defences(rematch with Gonzalez, Oguma, Salavarria etc) and beat Canto once he came on the scene...then he'd be deserving beyond doubt.
I think Chang and Zapata are Gushiken's superiors there.Yuh is arguable, probably just comes down to who you see as more effective of the two, same with comparing to carbajal, Chiquita etc
You literally have no clue what you're talking about. This is in fact one of the worst and most clueless posts I have ever seen and anyone with half a clue will agree with me.
Certainly a lot worse in the HOF so can't complain about either. They aren't ATG's but they are better than just very good. With Gushiken could some of his allure also be his influence in Japan today where he acts as a promoter and seems to still have genuine influence over there?
I know EXACTLY what I"m talking about. I've seen both. You are not the final word on small fighters or oriental fighters. I know you think you are, but you are wrong. ever read Joe Kozumi/ I have for 40 frickin yrs. Grow up ,man. every time someone disagrees w you you go on the attack. Way to sensitive to be a an adult male.
