You are Eddie Hearn, what deal do you offer Deontay Wilder?

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  1. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Here's my go and I'll try to show my workings:

    Some things you may want to consider?
    Flat fee or percentage?

    Has to be percentage or it won't get signed. Forget the pantomime from before, Finkel would never sign a flat fee because it could massively backfire if the fight exceeded expectations. Besides, it's fair that Wilder shares in any upside.

    Who gets to show it in US? showtime / Dazn / another?

    I would let the market decide. I think it's actually in Joshua's interest to have this on showtime PPV, although DAZN may want to bid over the odds.

    Separate splits for US/UK PPV revenue?

    Given this takes place in London at UK peak viewing time The UK would be the bigger pot, the US he less predictable. Giving Wilder a 50/50 or better on US buys could be a way of getting the deal over the line, especially if he's performed well in the Fury fight.

    If percentage how much is fair/feasible/likely to get the deal signed

    Fair and feasible are likely two different numbers. Starting from 30 I would anticipate between 35 and 40 would get the deal signed. If they turned down <35% I think the fight not happening is on them.

    Rematch clause(s) two-way for both fighters? One-way for AJ alone? Location and Rev share for said rematch(es)

    AJ wins I would offer a rematch in the US with 25%. Wilder wins I'd offer match in US with 51/49 in Wilders favour.

    Eddie Hearn has said that previously they've overpaid and now they won't. I agree with the first part, but realistically the second part won't fly. There's a big imbalance between what each bring to the table, belts, proven audience, revenue etc. But wilder is lucky enough to hold the last piece of the jigsaw and to come from the most lucrative market, potentially at least. So he can and will demand a premium before travelling and risking his title.
     
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  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    In UK, Joshua's name first on poster and enters second obviously, 60/40-ish Joshua's favor off all revenue, Showtime PPV gets US avenue, no rematch clauses either way...

    Joshua is the A-side but the A-side needs the right B-side to make a true mega fight. Wilder is that guy.
     
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  3. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They should have offered him 60-40% or at least 65-35% to begin with. If Wilder does about 300,000 ppv buys I think he should offer 42.5% plus a rematch clause. If he offers anything lower than 40% it’s pointless this fight won’t get made.
     
  4. Sampneb

    Sampneb Active Member Full Member

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    IF the fight gets made in April, and in the UK, not sure I could see it being on PPV in afternoon in the US. In the West Coast, the show would start at 9am, which just seems too early for a PPV to be an option. Would think DAZN gets this one, and if it's a good fight, and the public wants it - the rematch goes on PPV, and the rematch is in Vegas.
     
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  5. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    60-40, and 50-50 if the Wilder/Fury fight does even remotely decent on US PPV.

    Not the ridiculous 10 - 15% they have made to deliberately avoid the fight.
     
  6. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    I'm ignoring the next person that states 50-50 as a fair option to Joshua. Golvokin didn't even get 50-50 and he is much more well known than Wilder and helped sell 1 1/2 million PPV buys in the first Canelo fight.
     
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  7. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    The wilder fury fight will be at prime time in the US. That wouldn't be the case for a Wembley fight. So the us PPV take will likely be far less. Even if it does there will still be a big difference in what the two guys bring to the table, be that belts or proven commercial pull, so 50/50 just means the fight never happens, it's the same as flat fee in that regard.

    Hearn said that his last offer equated to approx 33% so not sure where you are getting the 10 to 15 from unless you think this is a much bigger fight for some reason?
     
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  8. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Oh and once we have a few different offers I'll put them in a poll and we can get an idea of a collective view of what's a fair offer :)
     
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  9. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    "Separate splits for US/UK PPV revenue?"

    LOOOL! Yeah how about Joshua keeps all the UK PPV revenue and Wilder can keep all the US

    hahahahahaha... oh what's the matter Wilder... you don't like that?? Please tell me more.

    UK is a big draw and they are mostly Joshua fans.. spending their money on Joshua.
     
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  10. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    Well America makes more money right, Wilder claims to be the A-Side for being American sounds fair to me lol. I like the cut of your jib :thumbsup:
     
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  11. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    I probably didn't word that well. I wasn't proposing that Wilder keep all the US take and Joshua all the UK, although I'm sure Eddie Hearn may like that option. I was thinking there may be different Rev share percentages on the two revenues to incentivise wilder to maximise the us take. That's where the upside of the fight lies, because AJ is already pretty much maxing out the U.K. Market
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'd send him a packet of peanuts and a check for $20. Take it or leave it you B-side BUM!
     
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  13. Crixus139

    Crixus139 Member Full Member

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    60/40 get it done please
     
  14. conkers

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    Does anyone who thinks 50-50 also believe 50-50 would be fair for Canelo-Saunders because that would be a similar situation.

    If Joshua-Wilder has to be a percentage I think 80-20. This is based on 3-1 regarding belts then adjusting for commercial value. If Wilder - Fury does well on US PPV then 75-25. Rematch clause should only be in relation to a Joshua loss.

    Joshua is risking 3 times as much as Wilder why should he pay for the opportunity.

    If Wilders team are waiting to be treated as equals they will be waiting a long time.
     
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  15. Vykus

    Vykus ɹoolɟ ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ʍǝᴉʌ ǝɥʇ Full Member

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    $5 million + $1 million per round solo flat fee contract for Joshua.
    Conditional $15 million contract for Joshua + 3 fight options, including fights on DAZN in the US with Chisora for $5 million, Whyte for $7 million and Jarrel Miller for $4 million, with 50% revenue split for US PPV'S . If Wilder doesnt realise hes getting the deal of his life, let him fade off into obscurity until he becomes desperate for the payday then offer him half that.
     
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