Moorer vs Holyfield I round 2. Moorer winning the round when Holyfield drops him late...is this a 10-8 round for Holyfield by virtue of the KD or do you go 10-9 based upon the wide round for Moorer? 7:15 point of the video This content is protected
I don’t see 10-10 as possible due to the KD, and have not seen that score anywhere judges or fans? But I felt Moorer winning the round justified 10-9 and so did 2 of the judges unless they scored round 3 (or another round) even like I did. at eye on the ring it looks about 60% went 10-8 and the rest went 10-9 http://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/evander-holyfield-vs-michael-moorer-i
Actually, one of the judges for that fight, Jerry Roth, scored the second round 10-10. Had he scored it 10-9, Holyfield would've retained the title with a draw. If Roth scored it 10-8, Holyfield would've won. Holyfield's team filed a protest after the fight regarding Roth scoring that round 10-10. You normally score a round where someone scores a clear knockdown 10-8. That's how I would've scored it. I've seen guys losing a round score a knockdown when the opponent has clearly slipped and the guy losing the round before the "slip" still gets a 10-8 round because of the ref's error. I hate those. But Evander scored a clear, hard knockdown of Moorer. It wasn't a flash knockdown. Moorer didn't jump right up and complain it was a slip or jump up after a second or two and laugh and say "good one." Moorer took a full eight count before rising. And then he ducked and covered the rest of the round. If you're losing a round, the best way to turn things around is to flatten the guy. That's what Evander did. It would've been 10-8 if they were two nobodies. The names shouldn't change matters. (Although, in this case, their names did.) 10-8
interesting I had not seen that about Roth? Do you have a link? I assumed he scored an even round somewhere but not there. not universally true on a KD being 10-8 and there are a few threads on it...but here is a decent read https://www.ringtv.com/122349-when-does-a-knock-down-not-result-in-a-10-8-round/
I tried to score it, but got distracted thinking about how terrible Holyfield looked in that fight. Just a roided out wreck. In seriousness if I was scoring the fight I'd probably just give the 10-8 TBH. I can see the case for making it narrower, but that's the honest answer
I think a flash knockdown like that is worth one extra point. So, let's say Holyfield was winning that round by a not-overwhelming margin and then adds the knockdown at the end, then the score should be 10-8 Holyfield. Let's say Moorer was winning the round by a not-overwhelming margin and then experiences the knockdown, then the score should be 10-10. Let's say Moorer was winning the round really big and then experiences the knockdown, then the score should be 10-9, Moorer. If the knockdown is more severe, like the case if Moorer gets up wobbly and has to hang on or run, then my preceding flash knockdown scenario is out the window. Anyway, that is my personal methodology for analyzing the importance of knockdowns in the scoring. I take a similar approach for analyzing the importance of the referee taking a point away for a foul. I can envision a situation where a fighter can be penalized for a foul and still win the round even if he doesn't score a knockdown. However, if the foul was in any way connected to the success that the fighter enjoyed during the round, that success should not be counted against the fighter who was fouled.
I would still call it a flash knockdown. I don't hold it against a fighter for staying down and taking the benefit of the count. If he is clear-eyed and in control of himself when he gets up and can continue as if there was no knockdown, then it is the equivalent of a flash knockdown (and therefore worth one point) at least for scoring purposes, IMO.
10-8 for me. If Moorer had battered Holyfield from pillar to post and then Holyfield scored the knockdown then 10-9 would be fair but while Moorer was clearly on top, he wasn’t doing any significant damage of his own to warrant a 10-9. And 10-10 is plain wrong.
I too felt 10-8 for Holyfield. I thought he did enough. Philly, you should have a gander at the 11th round of Juan LaPorte and Ruben Castillo. Now that's a tricky one.
