"You can’t fix stupid." - Dana White

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Rattler, Sep 17, 2009.


  1. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    I love capitalism. That's all it says.
     
  2. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :nut

    Ever heard of anti-trust laws? :roll:
     
  3. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    Yes, I have.

    I have also heard of the NFL and the NHL and Major League Baseball... like it or not, there are other options for MMA fighters than the UFC. That the UFC is better at promoting itself and the sport than all others is for them to figure out.
     
  4. Hrak

    Hrak Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stylistically the Evans Jackson fight wasn't gone be good. Rashad was just gone move too much and Rampage was gone chase him with not much action in between, Im glad it's scrapped. In regards to Jackson going for the Movie instead of the fight, whose to say his wrong, acting is a lot easier then getting into the cage and getting smashed. Let the man make his money.
     
  5. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whatcha talkin bout Willis? :huh

    What does that have to do with youthinking the President of the UFC should deliberately 'stop competition from thriving' - ie ruin the ****ing sport and create a monopoly.
     
  6. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What you fellas don't realize is that there is a place called HOllywood that makes movies, and if Rampage wants to go and be in a movie, well Dana should just take him out back and shoot him. Hes the President of the UFC, thats what hes supposed to do. Thats capitalism :nut
     
  7. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    I'm not saying he should - competition breeds a better project - but I don't have a problem with him doing it. He's not breaking any laws in doing so, so more power to him.

    I can not like something and still accept the right to do it.
     
  8. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    Can't blaim Jackson for taking a movie role. If he does well, that is a good way to make money in the future, taking roles. He can only fight for so long.
     
  9. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What? You said you 'loved capitalism' before in re. to the UFC not 'allowing' competition to thrive.

    Was that just an idle thought that you thought youde jot down for the esb mma community to read, or did it have any relation to the topic being discussed?
     
  10. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    No.

    I have a fully realized thought process. I see things as they are and as they should be. I love capitalism - it allows anybody to succeed as far as they want to, as opposed to an economic system that curtails individual success. Nonetheless, with the good comes the bad. It doesn't hurt that the UFC is as powerful as it is, because MMA is more popular because of it - but there's always the other side of the stone. But without the ability of the UFC to grow as large as it can, you wouldn't have the Affliction's and the Strikeforces, trying to get in on the action.

    The UFC's success gives the sport of MMA a notoriety that is simply the function of their largess. One hand feeds the other. Strikeforce has done well for itself, because it's smart. They don't try to compete with the UFC - they know where their place in the MMA world is, unlike Affliction, who figured they could beat the UFC at their own game.

    That's why it's up to other organizations to "figure out" how to make their own business model work.
     
  11. AnyMeans

    AnyMeans New Member Full Member

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    Your exactly right.
    Business before Pleasure.
     
  12. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Count the number of MMA shows in the US alone, I would think its at least 1000. They are not a monopoly, they just do it better than everybody else.

    His job is not to promote other organizations.
     
  13. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You say competition makes for a better product.

    If Dana is helping other orgs, even if he fails to try to outcompete them at every opportunity, that is not competition, that is collusion.

    You are being a hypocrite, you say competition is healthy, but then get your panties in a twist when Dana competes.
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    You mean like when Dana said he wanted the IFL to fail? Or when he gloated at Afflictions demise? Or when he danced over EliteXC's grave? Or when he bought PRIDE, WFA after they went defunct? What about the WEC was that just Dana being nice courtesy of the Ferrtita brothers? How about his current views on Strikeforce because they signed Fedor and he couldnt? Seriously cut out the fortune cookie bull****. Dana is a promoter first. Right now the UFC DOES have a monopoly on MMA. To insinuate that they dont is asinine. Do you actually think he cares about any of those small hall shows? Do you think they have the ability to compete for the same business as the UFC?

    Competition is most certainly healthy for ANY FREE enterprise.
     
  15. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Competition is competing, not helping; that's the essence of competition, to beat your enemy.

    So if competition is good, you can't blame Dana for competeting, that is good after all isn't it?

    You people don't want competition, you say you do but you do not, you want hand outs, you want charity, you want the opposite of competition.
    The whole ****ing point of competition is to not care about your competitors, you want to outcompetite them, not ****ing help them. That is competition, that is how the market gets better, the cream rises to the top. If you want competition, you want people actually competing, not colluding, not helping, not sharing, but going for each others ****ing throats; Dana is just 100x better at it than anybody else.

    Do you know what a monopoly is? Break it down, whats the first part of the word? Mono; as in single.

    They do not have a monopoly, they are just head and shoulders above their competition.

    There are no significant barriers to entry into MMA, look at all the upstarts that put on huge shows. They are just an inferior product and fail, thats not a monopoly, thats one being better than the rest.