You cannot just clump the Klits's resumes together and call them both ATGs

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  1. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because they're not the same fucking person, are they? Wlad's resume is reasonably good for what this era has to offer and his longevity is sickening - I'm all right with letting him slide as ATG calibre if he retires undefeated.
    Vitali however? His resume is laughable and utter dog**** compared to any HW ATG out there. H2H? Well, he's considered a H2H monster but based on what exactly? H2H monsters don't lose their toughest (and actually only tow legit) fights as far as I'm aware. It's all speculation and can't be considered when discussing whether to rate him among the very best or not. If anything, losing to his two toughest foes indicates the exact opposite rather.
    You cannot make a case for Vitali being an ATG by any stretch of the imagination. He also gets no credit for his brother's wins which I feel is very common on here. Wlad beats Haye? Yeah, let's just take for granted Vitali woulda beaten him too. Oh snap, Vitali's getting bullied through the ring by Chisora who went on to get creamed on by that very Haye but nevermind, logic don't matter to fellow residents of Klitland.
     
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  2. Mr. Iron Chin

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    Erm nobody does. Complete waste of time thread. Why did you bother to make that, is that how it appears in your head?
     
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  3. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. reed_man02

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    vitali is in no way, shape, or form an atg. anyone who thinks so is probably a member of stormfront.
     
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  5. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Yeah Vitali should take a time machine back to the 50s and beat a bunch of bar patrons and a few old fossils etc. Then down the line he would be universally recognized as an all time great.
     
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  6. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Name a HW ATG without a single A tier win. Wlad doesn't count.
     
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  7. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Vitali was a championship caliber fighter for almost 15 years, won a world title on 3 different occasions and has 10 defenses. Definitely an ATG, people are so hateful towards the Klitschkos, I don't get it :huh
     
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  8. Mr. Iron Chin

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    I don't see what the thread has to do with combining two different fighters cv's together. Besides Vitali fought Lewis an actual ATG at the peak of his powers so there's no point comparing him to Mayweather, perhaps when Mayweather fights Manny (even the current shot version) then we can talk about that.
     
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  9. Mr. Iron Chin

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    What do you have to do to become an A tier fella then, what's your criteria?
     
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  10. jas

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    They are not ATGs. Neither has beaten a future hall of fame fighter. This is fact. Bypasses all fan bias. That's the beauty of facts.
     
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  11. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    The "fact" is that if the Klitschkos fought 50-60 years ago and had the same resumes then people would look at them with rose colored glasses and hail them as All time greats....
     
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  12. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    The word "fact" was followed 2 words later by the word "if"...
     
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  13. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well since you're lumping both brothers together I ask you a question. So you agree all of these chaps have beaten future hall of fame fighters then?

    Sam Peter

    Sanders

    Ibragimov

    Byrd

    Briggs

    Danny Williams

    Schulz



    I find this bizarre. This era appears to be the only one in history where credit for easily beating ATG's doesn't occur. Although in fairness it only appears to happen at HW, look at the insane hype Mayweather gets for edging out completely shot fighters like Oscar. Oscar of course was ridiculously overrated to begin with anyway having been easily beating by Sturm back in his prime. In fact Mayweather has never beaten an elite prime fighter. How strange.
     
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  14. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    How do you like this one? I know for a fact that if the Klitschkos were British you'd rate them higher.
     
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  15. jas

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    Lewis > vitali > wlad > haye

    Haye got completely dominated by wlad.

    Wlad is a B plus fighter in an E minus era.

    Vitali is a A- fighter in an D plus era ( had a fight with Lennox)
     
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