You cant beat Loma unless you back him up

I'd take pre-prime and prime Manny to TKO Lomachenko. Lomachenko's power won't deter Manny and Lomachenko would have to deal w/ ATG power, workrate, speed, angles, footwork, and similar spin-to-the-side movements. Guys lose to Lomachenko because they allow him to think by fighting at his or a measured pace, which is why I think Lomachenko would clown and school Mikey. Lomachenko can't cope w/ the kinetic energy of a younger, wild, and unpredictable Manny. Manny would probably give Lomachenko Linares face.

 

loma gonna stick around at 130 i think for one more fight.

 

You have to smother ala Porter. Maidana from the first Mayweather fight. Be even then there chance he adjust about round 5

 

Yes but some refs will not allow any dirty stuff some will. It was a learning process and many others go through the same thing.

 

You have to do what Salido did. Right now Lomachenko is probably the best pure boxer in the world. To beat a pure boxer you can't try and outbox him because he's better at it than you. Rigo tried it, but even if they were the same size he would have been schooled anyways as Loma is better at boxing than anybody else is right now. Crawford's also a very good boxer, but more a boxer-puncher type guy who relies on the fear of his power to an extent. Loma doesn't really fight like that. You can't try and land a huge punch to hurt him or knock him out because his defense is too solid for that. You won't land.

So the best way to beat a master boxer is to pressure him. To do what Salido did. The problem is Loma is a better fighter now than he was when Salido barely edged a decision. It's going to take somebody with more skill and athleticism to beat Loma at this point and for the next few years while Loma is prime now.

But Loma is vulnerable. He's not a big puncher, you can walk him down if you're willing to go to hell and back. It was the same with Mayweather you could have success against him if you're willing to just bite the bullet and pain and eat his punches. And Floyd's a bigger puncher than Loma. If Floyd can be walked down then Loma can be walked down too probably even worse. It's just takes the right pressure fighter with skill and really good stamina and chin.

Also, 130 is a breeze for Loma. Walters is good, but come on he's not even close to great. Russel Jr. was good, but was never going to be great. Tank Davis is a paper champ. Berchelt is a solid young puncher, but would be totally outclassed by Loma. Rigo never actually was great. Linares is exceptional technically and would be a good win. Linares is probably a top 2-5 pure boxer on the planet right now, but lacks the X factor to be great.

Garcia might be great. But jury still out on his greatness. Is he a Cotto level guy or is he a DLH level guy? We don't know yet. After he fights Loma we may find out.

Linares and Garcia would be the 2 biggest challenges for Loma 135 and below. But I think Garcia is the only one with a realistic chance at beating Loma in the next few years. And even then I would make Loma the favorite despite the size.

 

If Salido is mugging Lomachenko like that, what would Saddler or Armstrong have done to him?

 

Too late to replicate it.

That gameplan only works once. They'd have had to get to him before he experienced it at all and before he had championship distance experience.

Armstrong's volume is a tougher proposition; that's a unique attribute he wouldn't have faced before Armstrong himself.

 

Well you're sure as hell not outboxing him.

I expect him to start having difficult time against opponents as big as him who can pressure him and throw a lot of punches.

 

Personally I think the ref mugged him more than anyone else but an iron bearded Margo type is sure to give him all sorts of problems. Those guys always stress master boxers out.

 

If Shawn Porter was a lightweight. He'd be a big problem for Lomachenko.

 

We've already seen how fighters with dazzling offensive angles (and better punching technique than Loma) can be troubled by rangy boxer punchers with quick, strong jabs who can get on their bike. Jones-Canizales is an example.

I don't believe in categorical style statements in the vein of 'You can't stand off Floyd' or 'You can't stand in front of Golovkin' or 'You can only beat Loma by backing him up' (although I do agree that his effectiveness is significantly reduced if pushed onto the back foot).

Stylists, more than styles per se, make fights.

 

Thats what i thought after reading the OP. Loma has answers for everything. NO one is unbeatable but the Salido loss was an aberration and the best thing that couldve happened to him. He will not lose again for a long time.

 

Your post gives me the opportunity to make note of something. The classical meaning of the term 'pure boxer' has been lost through the decades, with the term being used as a general measure of boxing virtuosity much more than a stylistic designation anymore. Even Floyd, for all his excellence, wasn't a stylistic pure boxer - though he was capable of fighting as one if he elected to, a guy who more frequently leads with hooks and rights falls outside the classical definition.

A stylistic pure boxer is someone who slips and moves laterally around the ring while (this is key) working his output off a busy jab. Willie Pep (who could lead with power punches often, but not quite so frequently as to warrant disqualification), Johnny Famechon, Junior Jones, or Bradley Skeete for a recent example. Lomachenko has a jab, of course, but he doesn't use it in that way - whenever we've seen him moved into reverse gear around the compass of the ring, his jab has been a sporadic factor at best in terms of scoring points or occupying an opponent and setting up punches.

This is one of the tidiest pure boxing displays I'd seen in a minute (jarring to think it was almost two years ago, time flies);

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It wasn't until Skeete was completely in control of the fight, early in its second half, that he felt comfortable enough to start impudently leading with his back hand on occasion. Classical stylistic pure boxer, if ever I saw one in my own time.

 

The Forrest that beat Mosely would have beaten Floyd too. He knew how to box smaller quicker men.