You can't explain the history of champs only with the Lineal Title...

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  1. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not anymore. The classic lineage (man who beat the man) is useless since the 80s. We have to adapt to new times with a less rigid way of thinking.

    For example, the 90s heavyweights have a classic lineage: Douglas, Holyfield, Bowe, Holyfield, Moorer, Foreman, Briggs and Lewis since 1998. However, Foreman wasn't seen as the man in 1996 and 1997. Briggs wasn't seen as the man in 1997. He was presented as "the challenger" against Lewis a year later. Nobody really cared about Briggs' lineal title. Is that what we want?

    The history of the ABC beltholders is also confusing. During the 90s, even guys like McCall, Lewis in 1993, Schulz, etc, were "champions". The truth is that nobody saw them as the men.

    So, the Lineal Championship is incorrect. But the ABC lineage is also incorrect, mainly because there can't be three or four champions in a single division.

    I think the real Champions are decided by public opinion and nothing else. In the 90s, the lineage is correct until Foreman. Then, from 1995 to 1997, there is a mess and no one was really seen as "the champ". Holyfield was seen as the man for a couple years, and then Lewis after unifying in November 1999.

    After seeing the cases of Briggs in 1997-1998, Erdei during the 90s, Juan Manuel Marquez in the lightweight division, I have to say that lineage isn't the solution.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    JMM is certainly the best LW, I don't see any valid argument for anyone else. Bad example

    Plenty of times in history the lineal champion isn't the best in the division though, it happens
     
  3. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If we are going that route, than Braddock was not the man when he held the title(Louis was).
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Marquez aint the best lw around he hasn't fought in the division for a year and half now.

    Braddock weren't the man when louis beat him, but louis was the man for beating him.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Could you ever?
     
  6. 1_man_army

    1_man_army The Knockout King Full Member

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    ...and doesn't seem to have any intention of fighting there again.
     
  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Public opinion isn't the way to settle something -- the public is often wrong. Popular doesn't mean best. Heck, there are enough fringe fans today who think Tyson would knock out every heavyweight on the planet if he came back.