You can't stomp a guy out or kick them on the ground, yet UFC is real FIGHTING?

Yea cuz fights ALWAYS stay standing in real life. I've never seen anyone dive in and try and take someone to the ground.

 

Beebs I don't think you understand. With the PrideFC rules it doesn't mean that wrestlers can't use the same strikes but it also opens up against there advantages thats all. Making it more fair for the other disiplines.

 

I agree with that, it was the point I was trying to make.

People were saying it would only harm wrestlers, not help them as well, whereas the reality is they gain just as much if not more from having them available.

 

Knees to the head would be used against the shoot a ton more if they were only legal, as would follow up kicks to the face of a wrestler who goes for the shoot, gets stuffed and fails to hold onto something. It would create a significant risk factor for wrestlers.

Knees against downed opponents can be used by anybody. Overeem I think uses them better than anybody in the game right now, but certainly wrestlers would use them a ton being the meat and potatoes of their game these days is gnp.. Very few wrestlers risk going for submissions as it means risk of losing the precious dominant position in many cases.

God I wish more aspired to be like Hughes.

 

Let's be honest, in Japan, if a fighter died, they'd mourn but accept it and move on. In the U.S., if a fighter died, the politicians would go on a rampage trying to end MMA here. That's why it'll never happen in the UFC.

 

This is the specific kick that got kicks to a grounded opponents head banned in the US.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMykDCMgc4I[/ame]

 

Certainly, and I wasn't arguing that point at all.

You said wrestlers wouldn't be helped by being able to kick or knee a downed opponent, I was showing you it would help them as much or more as it hurt them.

Carwin is a wrestler as well you know.

 

That was just a love tap. Anyway Kohler was a *****. I couldnt stand the guy after his KO of some rookie in one of the early UFC. The guy was just some meathead steroid junkie.

 

There was a politician in the crowd that night, or who saw it later, and that began the process of getting it banned.

 

Fun bit of trivia, in April of this year Kohler just had his first fight in almost six years when took on Travis Fulton.

Brad Kohler Vs Travis Fulton (CFX / XKL - Mayhem in Minneapolis) (April 24, 2010) (Target Center) (Minneapolis, Minnesota, United States)


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpw-eRuLsCA[/ame]

 

Kicking someone on the ground is a huge advantage if they land because you are so quickly damaged BUT if you happen to miss then a grappler has a field day with the fact your base is weak and you'll get put on your back.

I think knees to the head are a show stopper. Sprawling then kneeing someone. You don't see the strike and you are in a very vulnerable position.

 

What on earth is he still doing fighting? Surely he's got to be at least 50?

 

because the one of the main ideas of MMA is to "pit one discipline of martial arts against another/same discipline". and enforcing rules like: no eye raking, no biting, no hitting on the groin area (w/c i just learned that this one was actually legal based on an old footage of UFC), you can't knee an opponent in the head while getting up...
these rules are implemented to ensure the safety of the fighters.

as close as they want this to be like a "real bare-hand fight", this is still just a sport.

 

Ken Shamrock LOVED the nutshot back in early UFC days. I think the first fight he had in there he just totally destroyed a dude's balls.