You do know Joshua has been consulting heavily with Wladamir Klitschko right?

By the same stage of their careers, Wladimir Klitschko looked like the more athletic of the two with more speed and explosiveness. 27 year old Wladimir Klitschko looked like the better athlete than the current Anthony Joshua. I think Joshua could possibly go on to surpass Wlad in terms of accomplishments but we'll wait have to wait and see. I still think Wladimir Klitschko in his physical prime was the most athletic super heavyweight I've ever seen.

 

That's not very superior.

 

Yes I wonder whats next. Super padded canvases maybe?

 

So what Wlad will be a ATG and it's only because of his brother he didn't hold all the belts.

 

Wlad was never and will never be a all time great. All time greats don't get knocked out by club fighters and journeyman like Wladimir did. Wlad was only champ so long because of how bad the heavyweight division was and it still bad till this very day.

 

Ofcourse he will be an ATG. It doesnt matter why you think he was a champ so long the fact is he was a champ so long.

 

Lol right I don't think you know what all time great means. If you want to use that logic then Deontay Wilder is the greatest fighter ever. Didn't he start his career with 37 straight knockouts. It doesn't matter that he faced only bums right? Just as long as he knocked out a lot of people?

But that isn't what all time great means. Wlad faced nobody but bums in fights so boring that nobody wanted to watch them. As I said all time greats can lose, even to fighters of lesser caliber than they are. But all time greats don't get knocked out by guys like Ross Purritty, Lamon Brewster, or Corrie Sanders. All time greats don't get knocked out in 4 minutes by club fighters.

So many heavyweights could of had the belt for years if they fought in a weak era or jus avoied any fighter they knew they couldn't beat. I wouldn't even put Wlad as a top 30 all time in terms of what he could do in the ring and who he could beat.

 

Fair enough, I accept what you are saying, i dont agree but cant be bothered to argue whether Wlad is an all time great or not. It is down to perception anyway, in mine he is, in yours he isnt. In mine he beat everybody and anybody who challenged him for a good decade and ducked nobody, in yours he did all that but they were bums and dont count.

 

Youre that Black Hercules troll that was perma banned.

 

No, you would have to argue that Wilder is the greatest fighter ever as it's you who highlights Wlad being knocked out by inferior opposition early in his career as evidence he cannot be called an ATG.

 

He's not as naturally mobile as Wlad so that'd take some tweaking. Wlad combined world class footwork with a world class jab to implement his style as well as he did. Joshua has the makings of a very good jab (unlikely to ever be as good as Wlad's though), but his footwork is miles behind, nor does he display anywhere near the level of overall ring control that Wlad brought to bear. On the plus side, he has much better inside fighting and more of a mean streak, which allows him to fight in the trenches a lot more than Wlad was able, or willing, to do.

He could definitely learn a ton from Wlad, but they'd be subtle things he'd need to integrate carefully into his own set of attributes in order to make them truly effective. His fan base would also rapidly turn against him if he started clinching as much as Wlad did, so there's that to consider as well.

I agree. Wlad's athleticism is something rarely talked about, but he was a truly phenomenal athlete for such a big man. Only Joseph Parker seems to have a similar level of athleticism at HW today, but he's a little too small to make it work against the big elite men of the division. I just don't see the amazing athleticism that people think fighters like Wilder and Joshua have, not in a boxing sense at least. Joshua is cumbersome and robotic, and Wilder's balance and coordination are all over the shop. None of them have the speed, sharpness and overall fluidity of a young Wlad from the Mercer and Shufford days.

 

Dempsey was destroyed by Flynn

Johnson was stopped in 2 by Choyski

Lewis was beaten by B level opposition

Tyson was beaten by journeymen

The list is endless, Wlads era was and still is vastly underrated.

 

Agreed Wlad was a physical specimen, guy his size with his speed and power is just phenomenal. Then when he hooked up with Steward he got the technique, skill and style to go with that talent to fully untilise that natural ability. I'd say of all the super heavies we've seen he is the most naturally gifted, only Lewis really comes close.

 

LOL

Who are the 30 heavyweights who are greater then?

This should be good.