You do know Joshua has been consulting heavily with Wladamir Klitschko right?

It's a smart move by Joshua. Picking the brain of a top 10 ATG HW can only be a bonus.

 

You going to post them 30 heavyweights who rank higher than Wlad?

 

Joshua clearly wants to be around a long time like Klitschko. Which is fair enough.

 

It's a great fighter to learn from, my only problem from a personal point are the "fans" who derided Wlad throughout his career will be the exact same "fans" who will be championing AJ for the same or similar style/results.

 

Well, it's already got him through the Parker fight without taking any damage. From his point of view its a win whatever morons like Priccolo and Dino say about Klitschko. The man was never knocked out clean unlike the guys they d i ck ride on. Brewster and Sanders both tremendous fighters and champions.

 

You mentioned title holders over a 10 year period , so its comparing fringe and perennial contenders of this era to the champs of the k2 era. Those are top contenders this year , but there could be another new wave of prime youthful guys coming next year that will probably include Uysk and Gassiev.

The likes of Miller , Whyte , Kownacki , Hughie , Luis Ortiz , Pulev are better or equal to the likes of Dimentrinko , Adamek , Arroela , Chambers , Lyiaohich , Maskaev , Peter who all spent years upon years in the top 10 during k2 era.

What make this era different and better is Joshua and Wilder are chief rivals who will eventually fight , unlike k2 era that was split 70/30 by two brothers. It was bad enough as it was without having the two top guys tag teaming it.
Valeuv was also in the mix at the top and none of them fought each other.

Joshua is on route to going through evertbody ranked in the top 10 including his top rated rival. Something Wlad never done / or had.

I don't champion Wilder at all. I never picked him to win a fantasy h2h fight in my life , or claim he's an atg or whatever else it is to champion somebody.

 

I mentioned the top fighters, not "champions" nor "contenders", outside of AJ, Wilder, Povetkin, Pulev, Ortiz and Parker there is a vast drop off in talent.

 

Hopkins gave some impressive performances , Johnson , Mecado rematch and Pavlik for example , but he really raised his game and looked great against the smaller guys - Hoya and Trinidad.
Same can't be said for Wlad against smaller guys.

 

I wasn't talking about Wlad, it was in response to you mentioning GGG, another fighter you have a fetishes for.

Johnson was a journeyman at the time, as was Mercado and Pavlik was at light heavyweight.

 

Yes I still don’t get that,I mean obviously I understand em not fighting each other but Vitali had the same attributes to hold all the belts,it really did stink it up like you say.
For all everyone’s opinions on Joshua and Wilder I think it’s so obvious that both are building the fight,neither guy is scared of each other,Wilder is playing the villain and Joshua the good boy,remember Hearn already talked in the US to his team.

 

I mention Billups to show you that you logic is wrong. Because Lewis, who is considered as one of the hardest punchers ever, also didn't KO an awful opponent who had clearly worse chin comparing to Everett Martin. As for Williamson - yes, he had a glass jaw, but he was much better boxer than Billups and was fighting to survive. And Wlad had 5 rounds to stop him while Lewis had 10 rounds to stop Billups.

 

Wlad still was knocked down by Williamson and couldn't hurt him despite of his glass chin. Lennox was inexperienced with less than 20 bouts against Billups and are you trying to tell me Billups didn't fight to survive? Wlad had over 40 fights against Williamson and was just afraid of being hit as Williamson was.

Also my logic isn't wrong. Everett Martin was past his prime against Wlad, way past his physical prime against Wlad and was never hurt by Klistchko in either of their 2 fights. On the other hand when Martin for a 39 year old overweight Foreman he was in his prime. Yet a old Foreman with deteriorated reflexs who was actually slow at this point managed to knocked down Martin with one punch. Which means Wlad isn't close to being as hard of a puncher as old Foreman. Which means Wlad can't be one of the hardest punchers ever.

Also back to Lewis and Billups again, who said Lewis landed his best punches. I never watched that fight but I will now. Billups could of fought smart and ran. But I did watch both Martin and Wlad fights and Wlad did land numerous flush punches. That is how you can tell punching power. Watch 2 fighters fight the same opponents and see if they are actually landing their best punches.

 

Lewis was 18-0 when he went 10 rounds with Billups, Sanders was 20-0 when he KTFOed Billups in the first round, Jeremy Williams was 18-1 when he KO'ed Billups in round 2. Huge difference in experience?

As for Wlad being knocked down by Williamson - did I ever say that Wlad wasn't dropped or that he had a granite chin? We are talking about punching power here, not about chins.

 

You got them 30 heavyweights who are greater than Wlad yet?

 

Again completely ignoring the point I was trying to make. What does any of have to do with Foreman being a bigger puncher than Wlad? Lewis also had less experience against Billups than Wlad had against Williamson. Joe Mesi knocked out Williamson in 1 round before DaVarryl fought Wlad. Will you make a excuse for that too? Will Chapman a guy who had a 9-8 record knocked out TOS before Wlad did. Do you have a answer for that? Wait you will just ignore it and bring up some other silly point. Just like you have yet to answer how any of this has anything to do with old Foreman still being a bigger puncher than Wlad which means black can't be the biggest puncher of all time.