You don't win the title by running: Dirrell lost.

nezy37 · Oct 22, 2009

killa said: ↑

Ok enough already. You never give any credit to certain fighters even if the proof was glued to your eyes. Froch was hurt a few occassions but I guess in your eyes it only tickles when Dirrell hits him flush and his legs tremble atsch :-(
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they all are of a fair complexion.

kinda funny considering the source.

Fan88 · Oct 22, 2009

REAPER said: ↑

I see vast potential in Dirrell as far as ability is concerned and I will admit that based on his previous performances, I severely underestimated his skill: IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING.

But when pressed, he makes amateur mistakes like moving back in a straight line with his chin in the air, squaring up, and expending way too much energy. In other words, he RUNS, but doesn't put himself in position to counter.

Look at Hopkins or Mayweather for instance, these are guys that don't RUN, they COUNTERPUNCH. Even Roy Jones, who made some of the same mistakes that Dirrell does, managed to win rounds because he wasn't afraid to fight off the ropes and because of his phenomenal athletic ability is able to land shots.

Dirrell did not do this. While occasional he hit Froch with counters, he mostly looked scared, and ran when he was supposed to be fighting for a title. And the thing is, Dirrell has a lot of potential, with his combination of power and speed, and his overall boxing ability, he could even be great.

But due most like to his experience he still makes amateur mistakes and seems very tense under pressure, and was another reason why he was breathing so heavily when he was in the corner. A lot of amateur level boxers can relate to what he was going through in terms of physical exhaustion if they've ever fought scared in the ring.

Granted, Froch who's boxing skills are severely underestimated, as I think he boxes better than Taylor and Abraham, still has signficant flaws in his offense, such as neglecting the jab, having a dismal left hook, and not doing the right things when his man is in the corner.

In fact Froch often got out of his stance and looked completely off balance when his man was in close. But still, the body work he did in the begining of the fight, especially the right hands to the body, caused Dirrell to change his fight plan and fight scared.

I think Froch did enough to win, especially considering the circumstances where Dirrell was consistantly complaining the ref, when he was initiating hold after hold after hold, often without any offense behind it, and he didn't fight effectively off the ropes except for few times when he seemed like he was actually learning in the ring.

Fact is, if they gave the fight to a guy that ran like that in a championship fight given that it was that close, it would be a damn robbery, especially considering it was in Froch's hometown.

Why people are saying Dirrell won, I don't get it. I mean, he knew he lost. He didn't raise his hands at the end of the fight, and we're talking about a guy who doesn't make it look like he's that humble, and his post fight interview made it even clearer.

He knows he lost the fight, Froch knows he lost the fight, so why don't ya'll know he lost the fight?

Like Dirrell, said one loss ain't ****, and it's a learning experience.

I will say this though, as bad as Abraham is technically, if Dirrell makes the same mistakes he made against Froch and fights scared, he will get knocked out. Don't get me wrong, he has the style to give Abraham fits and posssibly even knock him out, but I gotta believe given the way he fought against Froch, that he's gonna get knocked out.

He should have had some more fights before entering this tournament. But hey......that's how it goes.
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Your analysis is spot on and I could not have said it better myself.

Farmboxer · Oct 22, 2009

Froch won the fight. It takes lots of guts to tell Dirrell fans that falling down on canvas, running, holding and complaing does not win fights.

K2ray · Oct 23, 2009

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I think Froch did enough to win, especially considering the circumstances where Dirrell was consistantly complaining the ref, when he was initiating hold after hold after hold, often without any offense behind it, and he didn't fight effectively off the ropes except for few times when he seemed like he was actually learning in the ring.
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I stopped reading at this point, nice try but your
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dmoney5787 · Oct 23, 2009

You do win the title by clean effective boxing: Dirrell won. IMO

reed_man02 · Oct 23, 2009

dmoney5787 said: ↑

You do win the title by clean effective boxing: Dirrell won. IMO
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My thoughts exactly. Going by this criteria, I don't see how you can give Froch more than four rounds. People say Dirrell ran, at least he landed shots and even hurt Froch. Froch didn't land **** all fight.

dmoney5787 · Oct 23, 2009

reed_man02 said: ↑

My thoughts exactly. Going by this criteria, I don't see how you can give Froch more than four rounds. People say Dirrell ran, at least he landed shots and even hurt Froch. Froch didn't land **** all fight.
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He landed some killer rabbit punches, and I think he only got warned once or twice.

dmoney5787 · Oct 23, 2009

reed_man02 said: ↑

My thoughts exactly. Going by this criteria, I don't see how you can give Froch more than four rounds. People say Dirrell ran, at least he landed shots and even hurt Froch. Froch didn't land **** all fight.
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And that is what I gave Froch four rounds.

Sp_Immortal · Oct 23, 2009

dmoney5787 said: ↑

He landed some killer rabbit punches, and I think he only got warned once or twice.
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You forgot about his deliberate punches on the break and the elbows he threw.

Those are worth consideration too :yep

icemax · Oct 23, 2009

valdez said: ↑

yea cool story

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You actually believe that they are the real stats for the fight? 78 rabbit punches

Farmboxer · Oct 23, 2009

I have heard of fighting off the ropes, but fighting off the canvas?

zulander · Oct 23, 2009

its an awful fight to score you can basically give the 1st 4 rounds to either fighter. the 11 and 12th to Froch. I think Froch gets a few more of the middle rounds but its really tuff to be certain. it could have gone 2 round win for either fighter.
If Dirrell had a bigger punch out put in the fight he won easily but at times he didnt let his hands go. Its like hopkins and calzaghe hops/dirrell would land one good shot to JC/Froch's less clean 4 or 5 shots: what do u prefer? clean punching or aggression most judges favour the guy moving forward. Dirrell could certainly have won on the back foot but he left too narrow a margin

Farmboxer · Oct 23, 2009

The commentators were so biased.

Sinew · Oct 23, 2009

Poe said: ↑

blah blah kid, falling and holding were all due to froch and his inherent clumsiness that he carries in the ring, with the small amount of complaining coming due to the incompetent ref not calling froch on his bull****. You lost any point you had when you said running, proving you do not understand boxing even slightly. Dirrell was outboxing him badly.
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Accuracy!

Brickhaus · Oct 23, 2009

REAPER said: ↑

I see vast potential in Dirrell as far as ability is concerned and I will admit that based on his previous performances, I severely underestimated his skill: IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING.

But when pressed, he makes amateur mistakes like moving back in a straight line with his chin in the air, squaring up, and expending way too much energy. In other words, he RUNS, but doesn't put himself in position to counter.

Look at Hopkins or Mayweather for instance, these are guys that don't RUN, they COUNTERPUNCH. Even Roy Jones, who made some of the same mistakes that Dirrell does, managed to win rounds because he wasn't afraid to fight off the ropes and because of his phenomenal athletic ability is able to land shots.

Dirrell did not do this. While occasional he hit Froch with counters, he mostly looked scared, and ran when he was supposed to be fighting for a title. And the thing is, Dirrell has a lot of potential, with his combination of power and speed, and his overall boxing ability, he could even be great.

But due most like to his experience he still makes amateur mistakes and seems very tense under pressure, and was another reason why he was breathing so heavily when he was in the corner. A lot of amateur level boxers can relate to what he was going through in terms of physical exhaustion if they've ever fought scared in the ring.

Granted, Froch who's boxing skills are severely underestimated, as I think he boxes better than Taylor and Abraham, still has signficant flaws in his offense, such as neglecting the jab, having a dismal left hook, and not doing the right things when his man is in the corner.

In fact Froch often got out of his stance and looked completely off balance when his man was in close. But still, the body work he did in the begining of the fight, especially the right hands to the body, caused Dirrell to change his fight plan and fight scared.

I think Froch did enough to win, especially considering the circumstances where Dirrell was consistantly complaining the ref, when he was initiating hold after hold after hold, often without any offense behind it, and he didn't fight effectively off the ropes except for few times when he seemed like he was actually learning in the ring.

Fact is, if they gave the fight to a guy that ran like that in a championship fight given that it was that close, it would be a damn robbery, especially considering it was in Froch's hometown.

Why people are saying Dirrell won, I don't get it. I mean, he knew he lost. He didn't raise his hands at the end of the fight, and we're talking about a guy who doesn't make it look like he's that humble, and his post fight interview made it even clearer.

He knows he lost the fight, Froch knows he lost the fight, so why don't ya'll know he lost the fight?

Like Dirrell, said one loss ain't ****, and it's a learning experience.

I will say this though, as bad as Abraham is technically, if Dirrell makes the same mistakes he made against Froch and fights scared, he will get knocked out. Don't get me wrong, he has the style to give Abraham fits and posssibly even knock him out, but I gotta believe given the way he fought against Froch, that he's gonna get knocked out.

He should have had some more fights before entering this tournament. But hey......that's how it goes.
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Keep ****ing that chicken.

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