You guys better start listening to me ... I know what i'm talking about

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  1. roly

    roly Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hatton has been on a higher level than witter. hatton's been fighting for world titles, where as witter has only just recently won and lost one.
     
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  2. Max Molyneux

    Max Molyneux Liverpool Liver Tickler Full Member

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    Yeah world titles against the right fighters and gave them up right afterwards.
     
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  3. Max Molyneux

    Max Molyneux Liverpool Liver Tickler Full Member

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    Have you seen enough of Witter Other than Bradley and Judah? This was the same Witter who had a bad night against Kotelnik but was lucky Kotelink Is slow and just doesn't do much.
     
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  4. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    Witter was exposed last night and there are many reasons for a champion to duck a challenger.. Just because Witter lost to Bradley doesn't make it a 100% guarentee that Hatton would beat both of them.. Just because you was probably right that Witter would lose or whatever you predicted, but this does not justify that you know everything you're talking about in this sport.. This doesn't mean that you're right that Valero is unbeatable at 130/135.. This doesn't mean that Cotto is gonna' get dominated by Floyd.. As I said, you may have been right by Witter, but to me you're still a biased fan..
     
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  5. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Why did you go there Sandman? ... out of all people I wouldn't expect you to come at me like that. I'm not a bias fan ... I am a fan of Cotto and just think that the styles don't match up well and that Cotto lacks the experience and skill to beat Floyd ... especially a prime Floyd.

    I just said that Valero is a talent and will be a force in the super featherweight division. His power will carry him through to light welterweight ... I'm not saying that he won't lose ... but he will win alot more given his speed and power ... and I see him taking those attributes with him when he ever decides to move up in weight.
     
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  6. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    Not coming at you trying to put you down or trying to be an ass.. But your first post was basically stating that we need to start listening to everything you say or believe that will happen just because Witter lost to Bradley.. You may have your opinion's or theory's on certain fighters/fights, but you only look one way.. Completely writing off Cotto saying he has no chance whatsoever or that Valero will dominate the likes of Pacquiao or JMM just because he's knocked out 23 nobodies.. I'm not trying to put you down or anything like that, but it seem's like you never consider the possibility of defeats of your favorite fighters.. Just because you think you know what you're talking about, does not mean I have to start listening to you.. No offense intended..
     
    Sandmanl337, May 11, 2008
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  7. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    You didn't have to take what I wrote serious ...

    I was just talking **** ... everyone loves to be proved right ... and I know that some of my analysis are one sided but there can't be two sides ... there can only be a winner and a loser.

    My take on Cotto v Floyd goes alot deeper in depth and I explain myself on why I think that the fight will turn out like that.

    Valero I think will do good and will be entertaining ... he has some Pacquiao like qualities about him and will be able to become a very entertaining fighter.
    On the level of excitement and entertainment it gets no better than watching a knockout artist w/ one punch KO power.
    I'm not determining that he'll be a great fighter - but now that Pac and JMM and possibley Guzman are slated to move up in weight ... the divivision can be his for the taking. He's the strongest super featweight i've seen and I know that power has nothing to do with it ... but it can turn things around in an instant. Look at Pacquiao ... who's one of my favorite fighters ... I know I criticize him alot, but there's no doubt about it, if he's on PPV that i'm spending my hard earned money on watching him fight.

    I'm not going to touch the Cotto v Mayweather thing but please believe me ... I didn't just come out with that prediction after a night of heavy drinking ... I took my time ... checked out my archives and broke down both fighters from a stylistic/boxing stand point and seen who had the advantage. Not who was the faster, stronger of the two ... but who had the better style in this match up and who had the better skill !!
     
    fitzgeraldz, May 11, 2008
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  8. JonOli

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    Just as any of the guys at 147 would if they moved up to middle, just as the guys at middle would if they moved up to....:-(
     
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  9. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Maybe so ... but he had enough nuts to make that jump unlike some jr welters of the past ... in fact, not only did he move up in weight but he had a breif run in the US and made some fans and friends.

    he also is still undefeated at that weight and the lineal champion ...
     
    fitzgeraldz, May 11, 2008
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  10. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    And you don't have to take me serious as well.. You may check into fights by looking at styles and then coming up with a prediction, but that is your opinion.. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm giving mines as well.. I mean this is a forum where we discuss and debate so I'm discussing and debating with you.. You may believe Cotto does not have the style to defeat Mayweather, but I believe he does.. You may believe Valero has the skills and techniques at tis stage of his career already to defeat the 130/135 lb contenders, but I still think he has a lot more to work on... We both have our opinions and either one of us could be right in the future.. We just have to wait and see what happens, but for right now, we can only debate on it..
     
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  11. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Honestly what do you think Cotto can do to win?
     
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  12. fitzgeraldz

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    I'm sure i'm right ...
    Floyd is too skilled ... to experienced on the big stage ... Cotto has never seen a fighter like Mayweather - amateur or pro ...

    Cotto has shown a weakness for the right hand shots ... and has no defense for it as of late ... he even got hit with a Gomez right hand and he was beating Gomez to the punch all night. It showed that you don't have to throw it with speed to have it land on Cotto.

    Cotto is also a one handed fight ... his last 5 fights have been dominated by the left hand ... rather it be the hook or the jab ... that punch against PBF can easily be neutralized.

    Cotto can't outbox PBF ... thats something that will never happen ...

    Cotto's power won't be evident because you can neutralize power w/ speed.

    Cotto isn't as fast as FLoyd so there isn't a chance to match speed.

    Floyd is the master at counter punching and if Cotto descides to lead then he's going to get hit w/ pot shot counters all night.

    Cotto cuts easily ...

    Floyd has the advantage of at any part of the ring ... he's comfortable against the ropes ... he's comfortable in the corner ... middle of the ring ... wherever !!

    Cotto's chin will always be in question ... he's been getting hurt as of late but his poker face has got him out of trouble.
     
    fitzgeraldz, May 11, 2008
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  13. Sandmanl337

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    To me, both Cotto and Floyd have similiar styles.. Both are accurate counter-punchers and have a high in-ring IQ.. Cotto can switch his game up, he can fight off his backfoot and pressure.. Floyd tend's to back up to the ropes a lot, and this could give Cotto the possibility to work on Floyd's body.. Cotto is a great body puncher.. He's a smooth fighter and has overcame adversity many times.. Floyd has may not ever been hurt like Cotto has, but what if Floyd is hurt? Will he know what to do? Cotto is very smart and his skills or improving a lot after every fight.. I'm not saying Cotto is going to blow Floyd out of the water, but I think this will be a very close fight.. I can see Cotto taking Floyd's punches, but if Cotto starts with a style or technique that doesn't work, he could easily switch it up to make a fight even.. That is how I look at it.. Also Floyd has not been fighting opponents at 147 while Cotto is a monster at 147.. Like I said, you can't completely write off Cotto.. Floyd can be beaten which you probably disagree with..
     
    Sandmanl337, May 11, 2008
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  14. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Floyd's going to back up into the ropes and bait Cotto into the body (like DLH) and just like DLH he's going to walk into one of those right hand counters through the center. But unlike DLH ... I don't think Cotto's chin isn't going to be able to stand up to one of those right hand counters ... he throws it from many different angles and does it well ... he made Oscar's knees buckle in the 5th ... Cotto's chin is going to crumble.
     
    fitzgeraldz, May 11, 2008
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  15. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    And Mayweather has never seen an opponent like Cotto.. This is how you may look at it, but of course you're gonna' pick Cotto to lose as you do in just about every fight he's in..
     
    Sandmanl337, May 11, 2008
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