You have to feel for the Klitschkos

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Mar 21, 2011.


  1. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    You forgot one thing:

    The fat bum injured his knee.
     
  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    You can tell that they would really like to build legacy and awareness of their ability worldwide... Too bad that they were never really given the opportunity to prove themselves against a deep division, coming to their peaks after some tough losses. Basically all they can do is keep fighting and remain dominant. I think both brothers could benefit from being a lot more aggressive, they're so much better than their competition that they really don't need to play it as safe as they do at this point.
     
  3. Webzcas

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    An absolute sham of a fight. Haye is right, Solis was just another FAT BUM.

    At least A Force came into the ring in shape.

    Roll on July 2nd. The Sisters era is coming to an abrupt end.
     
  4. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Ideally, this would be good enough for me. I just want to see contenders fighting contenders.
     
  5. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So freaking what??? :lol:

    I still enjoyed 1 round of Solis-Vit 7x more than whole that farce.
     
  6. Swarmer

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    Another reason this division sucks- the top 10 are way too ***** to fight each other regularly. So basically you end up with a division with amateur talent that is too inexperienced in the pro ring or too old from being inactive...And then it goes to waste like Solis or Povetkin. Then they maneuver themselves into a fight with the Klitschkos and get whupped. Vicious cycle.
     
  7. The Mongoose

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    The top 10 feast on fringe fighters and has beens, get a mandatory...pretty much the same cycle.

    Reason I like Chambers so much, he fought Brock, Povetkin, Peter, and Dimitrenko to earn his shot at Wlad. People still hate on him though because he lost Wlad.
     
  8. hoot

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    good post op
     
  9. Swarmer

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    Chambers is actually one of the few guys that made sure to build himself up for a fight with Waldo, way more than Peter II or something similar. People hate him because he's an American heavy that fell short and because of his physique and his negative style. He's one of the few fighters who pushed himself to the title though, gotta respect that. Definitely not a typical coddled fighter from the US in that regard.

    A guy like Deontay should take note. Challenging early, even losing early, pays off in skills and experience. And who else is a better example of that than the Klitschkos themselves?
     
  10. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its unfortunate that the 2 best in the division are brothers. What we need is Haye, Povetkin, Klits, Arreola, Solis and Peters, Chambers mixing it up with each other and regularly. Not fighting nobodys once a year and getting a title shot. Klits are beating everybody, Haye is doing bugger all. Adamek is the only one who is making an effort.

    He fights regularly and is working his way up.
     
  11. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And yet that fight did hardly anything for Vitali's resume (all controversy aside). If Wlad finishes Haye off early people would call him another bum killed by Wlad and that's it.
    Like Jack said, as a Klitschko supporter one has to hope for Haye to be the real deal, put on a good performance and make it somewhat competitive (a competitive performance vs. prime Wlad is yet to be delivered) but eventually lose the fight. Any other scenario would have little or no positive impact on Wlad's resume.
     
  12. Jack

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    Absolutely because Haye isn't proven as a heavyweight. If he gets knocked out in the first round, people won't say "that was a dominant performance over a great fighter", they'll say "that was an easy win against an overhyped opponent".

    Tough fights are what the Klitschkos need because when they dominate opponents, the win gets underrated because they are beating unproven fighters. Take a guy like Chambers: Solid fighter but he hasn't beaten any top class fighters, so when Wlad dominated him, it cast doubts on Chambers. People were wondering if he was any good in the first place. Now, if he had given Wlad a great fight, it would be a much more significant win because he would have proven himself against Wlad, but because it was so dominant and Chambers hasn't proven himself, people rightly doubt the win and it doesn't get as much recognition as it should.

    It's a funny situation though because having a tough fight should be much more unimpressive than an easy, dominant win. The problem is though, the current heavyweight division doesn't have a second tier.

    To expand on that, these heavyweights coming up don't have anyone to really test themselves against. If you look at the 70's, you had a second tier consisting of guys like Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Ellis and Oscar Bonavena. If a prospect beat one of those guys, you knew they were good fighters. In the 90's, the second tier was Ray Mercer, Shannon Briggs and Frank Bruno. Again, if a young fighter beat one of those, you knew they were a legit opponent.

    The problem this era has though, is that there's no second tier. The gap between Wlad, Vitali and the rest is huge. Haye hasn't beaten a second tier opponent, so if he gets destroyed, it won't mean much. Adamek hasn't either, so the only way these guys can prove themselves, is when they actually fight a Klitschko. If they get beaten easily, it doesn't help either Wlad or Vitali. Sam Peter became a credible opponent after he gave Wlad a tough fight, which is what some of these other opponents need to do. When you get beyond the Klitschkos though, everyone else is either unproven or just not that good, which is why the Klitschkos have such a hard time adding to their legacy.
     
  13. Manning

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    Helenius is on the verge of possibly beating Peter and Chambers while the gold medal winning Povetkin has already destroyed Byrd, Donald and Chambers while taking his record to 21-0-0 now if that isn't good enough for you they you just can't be pleased.
     
  14. H .

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    I always felt that the Klitschkos simply made their opponents look weak, hence the theory that it's a weak division.
    You'll hate the comparison but it reminds me of Roy Jones during his 175-pound dominance.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    I give credit to vitali for beating solis. I said last year he'd need 4 or 5 gone victories to do his resume justice.

    Solis, haye, adamek, povetkin and valuev would be a great finale to his career.