You have to feel for the Klitschkos

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Mar 21, 2011.


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  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks, mate :good

    The point you mentioned about the contenders not wanting to fight each other is true and it's important to the structure of the division. If you had Haye and Adamek fighting each other for a shot at the world title, that would be great. If that was reproduced with other fighters copying the same path to a title shot, the division would be a lot stronger but as we've seen time and time again, a fighter beats a C-class heavyweight and gets a title shot. Why not fight another fighter who has just beaten a C-class opponent too, to find out who is actually worthy?

    All these title shots in the heavyweight division are rushed. I don't think Chambers deserved a world title shot, neither did Thompson because he beat Krasniqi. Going back a couple of years, Brock didn't and, for the both fights, neither did Sam Peter because in the run up to both of those bouts, he beat absolute journeymen. Rahman certainly didn't.

    So when you look at the opponents Wlad has fought, not many of them were credible opponents. Had they all fought each other and determined who was worthy, they would be considered more impressive wins.

    The issue with the division isn't a simple one and a big part of it, is how these guys actually get shots, mandatory or voluntary. They go from beating an average couple of opponents to a title shot with a Klitschko. It's absurd. This past week, Solis got a title shot and his best win is over an old Ray Austin! Come on.

    The division is very flawed and it's harsh to pin a lot of the blame on the Klitschkos. They are just beating who is in front of them, but the fact is, the person standing in front of them, is very rarely a proven fighter, so it's hard for them to get due recognition.
     
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    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought the fight with Danny Williams was fun, but apart from that, he's been in too many one sided fights. Though, like I said, I think he could be a really fun fighter if he had the right opponent. He needs a Ron Lyle to go to war with.
     
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    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nobody is saying that.

    Come on.
     
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  4. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spot on.
    Another point to make is that because there is so little talent about now and the contenders are'nt willing to face each other, then when these men do get they title shots they simply are'nt ready to fight at the level the brothers are at.
    On the flipside to this i find it hard to rate the bros correctly, has they themselves have never really fought anyone who is prepared and ready to test them accordingly has champions. It is hard to label them great when neither has done great things. For the most part it is'nt they fault. But i always find it a little fishy how every fighter that travels to Germany to face them, turns up in poor shape and puts in a woeful performance.
    Klitschko fans will say because they don't give them a chance to perform, which is fair enough, and probably true. But when not one fighter has turned in a good performance over there in five or more years, it does make me wonder. Maybe i just love a conspiracy theory! lol
    One thing that is certain is that David Haye will turn up in shape, whether that will be enough we shall see. I can definatley foresee him taking Wlad into some dark places, if he does'nt then he will be looked upon has a hype job at heavy, and the Klitschko that fights him will not gain much standing has a result.
     
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  5. Threetime no1

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    Before i go on, i would just like to say that most people looked like **** in the 80's, we can all pick bad photos of people out mate.
    But yeah i stand by my point. What i meant was at the very top of the tree, and not just picking the 80's out as an example. But i'll come back to that decade with Wlad in a minute.
    Wlad is now an expert in keeping his opponents at range and staying out of danger. But these tend be opponents without belief or conviction. I feel against the best contenders and champions of the past, he could box well and possibly prevail against some, and dominate for large parts of fights, but you feel good battle hardened men will always have there moments in fights, and it is in these moments were Wlad will be found wanting. I don't care about how much he has transformed in recent years, the only times in his career he has been asked questions, he has folded like a pack of cards. Now has much as he has rectified the situation, the reality is when he faces a situation like that again i have no reason to believe he would'nt act the same again. He just was'nt born with fighting instincts like his brother.
    You may point to the Sam Peter fight, and while he did have to overcome a little adversity, i don't think there was too much asked of him. I mean all the knockdowns were from rabbit punches and were scrappy. What other champion has gone down three times through or by trying to avoid rabbit punches. None is the answer. Because that is not how a champion is supposed to act.
    Now regarding the 80's which you seem so keen to point out. I will to tell you now hand on heart who i think Wlad will struggle with in that era.
    Tyson - it goes without saying he would'nt stand a chance IMO.
    Holmes - Too good for Wlad, only thing he is lacking versus Wlad is size and power. But he would have enough power to stop Steel hammer.
    Now the rest of the men i am going to mention Wlad could just has well beat, but i guarantee he would have hairy moments against them, and in these moments like i said before i would not always fancy him to come through.
    Witherspoon
    Bruno
    Smith
    Tucker
    Infact Snipes and an old Shavers would come to fight and could also give Wlad fits.
    Like i said i'm not saying he could'nt beat these men, but would he come through tough moments against them?
    So against top men of the 70's and 90's his chances of having any reign has champ would be slim to non existent. For the record i don't think he could of beat the Mercer that fought Lewis in 96'.
    I know silencer you won't agree with a single point i've made, but this is my opinion of him.
    Wlad is a superb boxer, who is a physical specimen, but one thing he is'nt is a fighter. That is why he could'nt live at the top in any era. Top contender yes, but not champion.
    Opinions are mutherf*ckers are'nt they mate?
     
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