You know Gene Tunney gets vastly overrated when....

Suzie, might want to check out Gene's record vs. hall of fame fighters.

 

Judging by the Dempsey fights, you would have to say hed last at least 10 rounds an the available evidence, wouldnt you?

 

People do over rate Tunney H2H, usually the Tunney fans.
People also over rate Liston, usually the Liston fans.

Lewis KO 3 both of them.

 

Yep, I can see Liston by KO, no doubt......but I think it would be like the Machen fight, but Tunney was much better than Machen.....

 

Not funny to me. I think he beats them both.

 

I agree liston did.. my only point is that Liston is so overrated on this forum in h2h matchups.. you'd think he was unbeatable.. which is so far from the truth it's silly?

 

I think we can agree that lasting 10 rounds with a washed up Dempsey and doing so vs. a prime killing machine like Sonny Liston are two entirely different things.:smoke

 

i find it hard to believe he would beat either but give good fights. let's face it suzie, we know you're a louis and liston fan, but to say either of them would simply walk through Tunney, is blasphemy.

 

So do we agree that after Liston was stopped by Ali, Tunney could last the distance?

 

And i am not sure how accurate boxrec are with their weights, but note that the Jim Monaghan fight which has two 175 lb fighters appears to have been billed as involving the improving Heavyweight Gene Tunney.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E04E6DE103AE033A25755C2A9679C946195D6CF

 

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E02EEDA133BEE32A25750C0A9649C946195D6CF

Some early Gene Tunney reads wouldnt go astray. There is his win over Roberts which was comprehensive. Note that he is referred to as a heavyweight contender here.

and again, Gene is a heavywight for the late sub soldier McKinley. Presumably Mckinley was also.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9A0CE3D9103BEE32A25756C0A9659C946195D6CF

This one, which describes Roberts as a heavyweight also describes Tunney as a heavyweight.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E03E1D7123FE432A25757C0A9629C946195D6CF

And sorry but here is one more, particularly interesting because it seems to be unreported unless i just misssed something. Tunney was a heavyweight his opponent a light heavyweight, apparently.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9804E5DF103EEE3ABC4E51DFB667838A639EDE

This article refers to ole anderson as a heavyweight with a big frame, yet he is listed at 168 by boxrec.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9900E4DC103AE03ABC4151DFB066838B639EDE

here is the josephs fight where Tunney is described as a light heavy desite boxrec having him over the limit for this fight.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E05E2D6173EEE3ABC4152DFBE66838A639EDE

 

And on the issue of Tunney and Coloured fighters, Do you guys make anything of this closed private fight with Floyd Johnson? I havent heard it before, although i note it might make sense looking at Tunneys record where he seems to have taken an uncharacteristic break at this time.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9C0CE2DC1F3EEE3ABC4D53DFB4678389639EDE

 

Does this post make any sense to anyone ?