You know what's the saddest part about Floyd Mayweather's career?

So how does that equate to Floyd ducking again???

Once again, you have backed up my argument.

BUSINESS DECISIONS. Nothing more, nothing less.


You still have yet to provide a single valid point in your arguments. How did Floyd duck Margarito again? That's right, he didn't. Purely business decisions made by both Arum and Mayweather. Anything else is pure conjecture/speculation at best.


BOLD -- Actually I did, but you just don't know how to read. "Cotto was not an option because he is promoted by Bob Arum. Floyd agreed to give Golden Boy promotional rights to his next fight. (Hatton)"

The same would go for Margarito (common sense) as well when Floyd is being promoted by Golden Boy for his fight. No deal with Bob Arum. Perhaps I should have spelled it out better for you since clearly, common sense is out the window when talking to you.

BUSINESS DECISIONS.... BUSINESS DECISIONS. Ducking is a fan-made illusion. Money talks. It's not called "prize fighting" for no reason.

 

None of this means jack **** in light of Margarito being available and on top post DLH and post Hatton. Has Mayweather rung Margarito's number after beating up Cotto? I highly doubt it. Now you can hinge your reply on Mayweather being "retired" or whatever that means. I'll continue to state that if Mayweather really truly cared about legacy, he'd be ringing Margarito's phone.

Reality so far has told me he doesn't care about legacy. Not anymore and not for a long time now.

Remember this quote? "We aren't fighting to prove who the best is" :rofl

 

Caring about legacy and "ducking" are too entirely different things.

I will agree with you that Mayweather doesn't care about his "legacy" if he doesn't fight some of these fighters. (To be honest, neither would I considering the fickle nature of boxing fans. I'd take my $100 million and live my life.)

I will not agree with you when you say Mayweather is "ducking" these fighters because he is "scared." That's just nonsense.


I agree with that quote btw. Boxing is a business, not a sport. People are involved to make money. Get used to it. You think promoters are into boxing to see who the best is? Absolutely not... they are in it to make money. Once you understand that, the "ducking" arguments don't hold any water.

"We aren't fighting to see who the best is, we're fighting to make money." -- That is a reality of the current boxing business. "Prize fighting" ... not "Pride Fighting." See the difference?

Understand that I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's how it is.

 

No, they aren't two different things.

Boxing at it's core is a sport. Just like the NFL and NBA are sports. There is a fanbase, money to be made and legacies to cement.

With a great legacy money follows. DLH, win lose or draw had a great legacy. Despite his win loss record against the best of 147-160, he DID take those fights. And that is a major factor in his PPV sales. He fought alot of guys. Alot of threats.

Mayweather essentially rode the coattails of greatness. At least beyond 135. He made the money but he did nothing for his legacy. Maybe he made more money than he would have otherwise but most boxers you ask will say they wanted both money and fame. Not just money.

 

If you can't come to grips with the fact that boxing is now a business and not a sport, I don't know what to tell you. The core doesn't matter if the people that are running it run it as a business.

Comparing it to the NFL and NBA is completely flawed, especially given the size of their respective markets in comparison to boxing. Those players have "guaranteed multiyear and multi-million $ contracts." Boxers do not. Easy to play for pride and legacy when you have guaranteed money in the bank. Boxers do not have that luxury and if they are injured, they get nothing.

And yes, "Prize Fighting" and "Pride Fighting" are two different things. Professional boxing is "prize fighting."

 

I agree, klingon, never thought I'd see the day.

The guys welterweight reign of terror has been a complete and utter joke.

 

Then why do we have the hall of fame? Are you seriously suggesting that boxers don't want to be remembered?

If boxers only wanted to make money Joe C would not have left Wales. Ricky Hatton would not have left Manchester. Kostya Tszyu would not have gone overseas to fight so many guys on foreign soil.

You have a very deluded idea of what boxers get in the ring for. And it suggests to me you know even less than you have previously shown.

 

It doesn't matter what they want, that is what you don't seem to understand. Promoters run the sport, and they run it as a business.

You have a problem excepting the reality of the situation. This is how the world goes around, like it or not, and it's based on money.

 

I'm not arguing about the promoter. The promoter is an opportunist. They have no stake other than promoting good fights that people want to see.

What will dictate what people want to see is FAME. An established reputation. Common sense here. Fame brings money. No promoter is going to sell a guy who only wants to make a paycheck and cash out. Those are bums. Guys who don't try. They don't last long under a promoter.

You ask any of those guys from the 50s-60s-70s if they weren't fighting for fame as well as money. Go ahead. You'll be surprised to be sure.

 

The year is 2008. What they believe has no bearing on the present and the reality of the CURRENT situation.

As it stands now a fighter can tell his promoter, "I want to fight this guy, he will be awesome for my legacy." The promoter can say, "You're not fighting him, you're going to fight this other guy because it is more profitable to do so." That is the reality of the BUSINESS.

 

atsch bs excuse when fighters from different networks wanted the fight they would ex) sweet pea vs chavez

truth is floyd wanted no part of casa, frietas when he was still relevent, and zoo.

 

That's complete bull****. HBO would NOT allow Floyd to fight for their rival network nor Zoo fight for HBO.

Yet the best part you completely blame Floyd for not making the fight, and not even lay one ounce of fault on Zoo who was calling out Gatti to unify.

 

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were Floyd's attorney.

I'm just a fight fan that enjoys good fights.

 

Very true great post man:good

 

Again someone totally clueless about the Freitas and Casamayor situations bringing them up. Floyd fought Corrales, who was undefeated at the time and later beat both Casamayor and Freitas. Floyd right after the fight with Corrales called out Hamed, Casamayor AND Freitas, it wasn't really his fault those fights didn't happen and him moving up to 135. You need to look deeper into the subject before bringing it up.