You MMA fans seriously think they go toe to toe with boxers?

Hey! They're both awesome sports, and both Boxing and NHB have been around forever and will never die, and Boxing does not have a 3-1 rookie as their HW champ either. That's my jab back lol. Boxing can learn from the UFC's fine production, and MMA can learn from Boxing's ranking system.

 

Wow thats just 2 funny 2 me well 1st of i dont think boxers can take better shots lets look at this realistically in boxing the gloves are twice as big and its just that a boxing match meaning most of the punches that land are jabs not power shots which is good 4 scoring points 2 win boxing matches. on the other hand with MMA the jab is under ultlized so most of the punches are power shots so of course your gonna take less overall shots esp with 4 ounce gloves:yikes

 

There is a very simple way for you to understand what people are trying it say here, and above and beyond this argument it would really help you enjoy MMA more. This is not flaming, this is 100% serious.

step #1: Pick a friend of yours that is into this stuff as much as you are. Go train in boxing for a week or a month or six months or whatever, and have him train in wrestling for that same amount of time.
step #2: Go to the gym or back yard or living room and have you put on some thin bag gloves (so you don't poke him in the eye or something) and have you do your boxing thing and him do his wrestling thing. If you can hurt him with punches before he gets you down, you get a point. If he takes you down before you can land a good clean punch (you don't need to go full blast, just something that would really stun someone "if you meant it") he gets a point. First to ten points wins.
step#3: Once you lose the game, try to figure out what you would do differently to give yourself a better chance next time, and think about what effects that would have on you from a boxing perspective.

You'll learn that:
-A good bit of the technical points of a "normal" boxing stance make defending takedowns a lot harder (same with leg kicks, which you would learn if you decide to go further).
-When you're thinking about someone grabbing your legs or torso to go for a takedown, your form in throwing punches will be adversely affected.
-The gross body attack of a clinch takedown or takedown from a single or double leg shot is a MUCH HIGHER PERCENTAGE ATTACK than the fine point attack of landing punches.
-The reason that top wrestlers can go into MMA and win right away and boxers can’t is because if you’re going to be really, really good at just one thing, it’s best if the one thing is the more useful and high percentage technique. Tae kwon do masters are probably the best in the world and spinning jumping hook kicks, but because they’re such a low percentage and difficult thing to do against a resisting opponent, they don’t make it anywhere in MMA. If you're into the SAT, a double leg takedown is to a right cross as a right cross is to a spinning jumping hook kick. This is not criticizing boxing, it is just COMPARING it.


Seriously, do this. It will be a lot of fun and will make watching MMA a lot more fun and will change the way you look at all combat sports. :good

 

Art Jimmerson isnt exactly a great example.

 

And in terms of standup, I have no doubt an athletic elite boxer would destroy an MMA fighter. But thats on their feet. If the MMA fighter was smart he'd take the fight to the ground.

And for people who say oh its different a boxer would lose in MMA even on their feet need to listen to other MMA fighters like Frank Shamrock, Joe Stevenson etc who said that an elite boxer would be very difficult to handle on their feet therefore they'd acoid striking with them altogether and take them down. I think people need to look at last nights event which saw a bunch of MMA fighters beatdown K-1 level strikers. If you can honestly tell me that an elite boxer couldnt do the same than im speechless. A 40 year old Botha went into K-1 and defeated 2 top 10 HWs meanwhile he NEVER did that in boxing in HIS PRIME. There are alot of wrestlers, BJJ and mediocre boxers in MMA who can take low and body kicks no problem so I see no reason that an elite boxer couldnt do the same.

In terms of whos got the better chins etc. There are a few fighters in MMA who can take a punch. But the biggest difference is that boxers can take an accumulation of punishment throughout a fight.

If you take a look at the Mir/Nog fight, as mediocre as Mirs boxing was he would have knocked down Nog 3 times if that was a boxing rules fight. And Mir isnt exactly heavy handed.

And the way MMA fighters box would be tailor made for an elite boxer. They leave way too many openings and would be caught off balance numerous times.

Lastly, I dont think any MMA fans think MMA fighters could go toe to toe in boxing. That just would not happen and people who think so are delusional. The question is could they go toe - toe in MMA in terms of striking. Absolutely.

Did anybody watch Fight for the Troop Fight Night by the UFC, You had fighters with their chin out, swinging from their hips, it was brutal to watch. And if you watched the Silva/Rampage fight its quite evident how much Silva lacks in terms of striking ability. That guys style is just asking to be KO'd. Walks right into jabs, plods forward in straight lines, sticks his chin out, throws wide punches from his hips and NEVER throws punches in straight lines.

That guys striking is amatuerish.

 

You put a boxer in with Anderson Silva in an MMA match and Silva wins the standup. You put a guy in with Antoni Hardonk in an MMA match and Hardonk wins the standup. Same with prime crocop and others.

Boxers don't know how to kick...

 

Actually the jab is utilized quite a bit in MMA especially as of late. Penn beat Sherk with it.

Jabs arent so much about scoring points but rather keeping your distance between your opponent. A jab is an extremely important weapon.

And you dont have to have a great chin to be good in MMA. Hell, you cna be fighting at a high level and never have had your chin tested. In boxing thats impossible, its tested early and if you dont have a chin you wont have a career.

And with MMA and boxing the ranges are different, and boxers for the most part sit down on their punches which allow them to generate more power. Even Frank Shamrock was saying something along these lines and he said the boxing ability in MMA is still terrible. MMA still has alot of people who punch with their arms and not their whole body.

And people have to remember thats it often not how hard the punch is that KO people, its the punches that fighters dont see coming.

In that case its a CHIN issue but rather a skill issue. So if you're seeing multiple KO's on a UFC main card it might be more attributable to their striking ability than their chins. Silva and Nog were vulnerable all night and the punches they got caught with they didnt even see coming.

Thats a problem.

 

You dont have to know how to kick.

 

Type in "boxer versus kickboxer" on youtube.

This one is nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBG9PeImA10 .

 

Codeman, that reminded me of this ...

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Watch above. CDNboxing, its unfortunate that you're convinced you know a lot instead of having an open mind. Very unfortunate. But all evidence will not favor boxer in stand up. Boxing excel at boxing, no one can take that away from them. If its a stand up fight using only ur hands and you can't clinch, boxers will win almost every time except one of those freak KOs. If you put a boxer in a full contact stand up fight, he's gona have to be carried off the ring with broken legs. It is what it is.

As much as you think you know about boxing. You know nothing about anything else it seems but you fake it well. I absolutely agree with you that you do not have to know how to kick. Hell, you don't need to know how to box or wrestle either. Just get a desk job.

If you wanna do MMA combat, you gona have to learn how to kick, box, and grapple. The overwhelming evidence shows that excelling at grappling takes you much farther in the sport of MMA. But to be top MMA fighter you will need all the factors at high level.

 

another ******ed example.

 

This fooking thread and topic sucks and is getting tiresome. Lets go do some Rugby-American football comparisons then.

 

Everytime some chump starts a thread like this on the boxing side they always put it on this side as if anybody wants it around here.

 

The 'uneducated' circle the wagons....