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  1. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    ...he's not a really skilled boxer.

    ...he's to one-dimensional.

    ...he's got bad stamina.

    ...his punching power is overrated.

    ...his footwork is below average.

    ...he's just a slugger.

    ...his defense ain't that good.

    ...he don't have the best ring intelligence.

    ...he's to small to hang with the tall guys (even guys suggested him to go down in weight).

    ...his jab is nothing more than a range finder.

    Now Felix Sturm chimes in with you: He told a German newspaper, that Abraham isn't presenting a big challenge to him though it would be a good fight for the German public.

    "He's only got one weapon, his big punch. But in the sport of boxing, there are much bigger challenges waiting for me. "

    When been told that Abraham thinks that Sturm wouldn't make till the final bell if they would fight each other, Felix stated:

    "I show fine technical and skillful boxing and not just wild banging"

    It also doesn't bother him that most experts see Abraham as a favorite against him:

    "You know, I love to prove people wrong. A lot of those experts said that Sylvester would fight on par with me and look what I'd done to him."


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    But guess what Felix and ya'll: Abraham can do it all if he needs to.

    So be prepared for a shock when either fight with Sturm or Pavlik comes to fruition...
     
  2. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    this is all hot air until your man steps up.

    junoir witter whined for hatton half his career but never wanted to take the same risks as his nemesis.....
     
  3. iceman

    iceman Tis my Island Full Member

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    I don't think we have seen enough of Abraham to say all this but i think his ring intelligence is just fine and his punching power can't be questioned.He is also immensely strong with a grade A chin.

    Bring on pretty boy Sturm - i think AA knocks him the **** out
     
  4. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Abraham is the best MW in the division.I'd favor him vs Pavlik and Sturm.But he ai't the champ
     
  5. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    True, but Pavlik isn't much more a challenge than Abraham would be to Sturm.

    And a fight vs. AA would even present him a bigger purse...
     
  6. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He shows some flaws, stamina being one and covering up waiting for the other guy to stop punching.

    But one thing is certain. His power is not overrated.
     
  7. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    P4P hardest puncher IMO. Seems to have decent defence.

    I actually think most boxing fans appreciate Abraham and like watching him fight. I haven't seen too many criticisms, and even before the Hopkins fight people were tipping him to beat Pavlik, even more now.

    Sturm however, is crazy....sparked by a JMW and he thinks he can handle Abraham. maybe a couple of years back, but he's declining now and I can't help but think that Abraham would've dealt with Sylvester in a brutal fashion.
     
  8. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i'd love to see sturm get KTFO.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Abraham v. Sturm is a good fight. I'd love to see it. The winner could then take on Pavlik, unless Pavlik fights Abraham before Sturm pulls his finger out.
     
  10. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    So then Sturm should be HAPPY to take the money offered since it would be easy money. NO? :rofl
     
  11. LightningJoe

    LightningJoe The Filipino Flash Full Member

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    I like AA and I think he is the best MW at the moment. I'd love to see him fight Sturm and then Pavlik.

    But -- there is no way in hell he is gonna be p4p material unless he starts to up his workrate. He cuurently fights for about only 1 min per ****ing round. It's annoying as hell. I'd like to see him space out about 2 mins of solid work per round, but I think that possibly his body type is just not built for stamina.
     
  12. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Sturm has a very serious problem with Abraham: Arthur has a very good chin, and the balls of a rhinocerous. He would not be able to get any serious respect from Arthur, and therefore, he would not be able to keep AA off of him for 12 long rounds. At some point Arthur would fnd him, and BANG, the fight's over.

    Against Pavlik, Arthur faces someone who would get his respect, and get it big, very early in the fight. (I suspect that may go both ways. I would not be surprised to see each guy go down early.) He'd also be facing a guy who is four and a half inches taller, has a huge arm length advantage, and wants to bang away from range. Arthur counter-punches well, but it is very hard to counter a guy you can't reach; especially when hand and foot speed are about equal. (Ask Jermain Taylor if Pavlik is slow.)

    On the other hand, Pavlik seems to be pretty easy to suck into a war of attrition. I think he actually likes it! If AA could get inside those long ass arms, and turn it into a brawl on the inside, it could get real ugly for KP, real quick.

    My best guess? Pavlik keeps the pressure on from range. Arthur goes to the ropes and covers like he normally does when under pressure. Pavlik lands rights up under Arthur's left elbow. When the arms come down to protect the body, Pavlik lands combinations to the head. Arthur's chin and giant balls come into play, and he tries valiantly to counter punch his way off the ropes, but Pavlik is out of range, and has turned the ring into a ****ing phone booth like he did against Zertuche, Miranda, and Taylor.

    I've seen many posters predict either AA by KO or Pavlik by decision. I do not agree. This is two serious KO artists. It ain't going the distance. Pavlik KO8 Abraham.
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    ...if so, it would be a FOTY candidate...Abraham is a monster! It's not like taking down that pussycat Miranda.
     
  14. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    The thing about Miranda is that the first time AA fought him he was considered an unstoppable monster. When Pav fought him, he was suppose to be the man to replace JT. A lot of shine has come off of those wins, but it doesn't change the fact that both guys fought someone who was seriously feared at the time.

    Abraham got my respect when he fought the Miranda rematch in Edison's backyard. He did not have to take that fight at all, let alone do it in Florida!

    I think sometimes people misunderstand me when I keep saying Pavlik will knock Abraham out. They think I'm a hater. I'm NOT. Stylisitcally and physically Pavlik is a nightmare for Arthur. High work rate, big stamina, decent chin, lots of power, and his balls are just as big as Arthur's!! Arthur would have to keep the fight in the middle of the ring and force a war on the inside. So far only JT in the rematch, and BHop have been able to keep things in the middle against KP. Zuniga was able to force a war on the inside, but that was 3 years ago; before McKart, Zertuche, Miranda, and Taylor X 2.
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I wasn't trying to suggest that it was unlikely. I was simply suggesting that if Pavlik KOed Abraham, instead of winning a decision from the outside, he'd really have to hurt him a lot. In the process, he'd get hurt a lot himself. Once Abraham got hurt, he'd turn it into a war and Pavlik would have to fight; he couldn't any longer simply box and keep it on the outside. It would end up a FOTY candidate due to the extreme violence perpetrated and suffered in the ring by both fighters.