YOU the Manager....Your route to the title.

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  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Ok so lots of people get pissed with the way certain fighters are managed. So say you had a fighter who had the potential to make it to world class. How would you progress his career??

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    I would go the traditional route.

    If he were a lightweight I would use bouts 1-6 to get him some rounds against decent journeyman. The first two would be four rounders and thn the next two would be 6-2's and finally a couple of 6-3's (Billy Smith, Danny Thorpe, etc). His seventh fight wud be a british masters or a area title shot. He would make a couple of defences plus continue his education in 8 rounders against former champs like Graham Earl and Craig Doherty. At 12-0 i'd try and match him with a failed prospect... someone like Nadeem Siddique. Couple more eight rounders then at 14-0 going in i'd test him against Martin Gethin in a ten rounder. A English title shot and a defence against Henry Castle before a international 12 rounder against a former Euro Champ or contender. That would take my guy to 17-0... he'd prob be world rated by this point.

    17-0 i'd match him with a live domestic contender, someone like McAllister or Limond. Before a Commonwealth title fight (not against Khan). As Commonwealth champion i'd then try and make a match with the British champion. That would take my guy to 19-0. At 19-0 and with a proven track record at domestic level i'd be very confident in putting him with a proven former world champ on the slide- a kevin Kelly, Derrick Gainer or Carlos Hernandez. So 20-0 i'd prob look for another world class veteran or go for the Euro title.

    As Euro champion i'd try and negotiate a few good defences before after 3-4 movng him into a world title fight. He'd be sufficiently experianced in competitive 12 rounders. At 25-0 he's also have the type of record that would make him an appealing voluntary defence. Also if he won the title 25 fights of this nature would take approx 5-6 years.... He's still got time to make defences and come again if he gets beat.... What you think? What would be your career route?
     
  2. robpalmer135

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    i would have 35 fights agaisnt guys with looseing records from 3 weight below and then go straight for the WBU title
     
  3. TehRileh

    TehRileh HUDDERSFIELD TOWN FC Full Member

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    Very nice, i like the way Paul Appleby has been Managed so far, after a delay in his fight he kept busy with a fight the other week, not just sitting around.
     
  4. widdy

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    prob the same way mate,anyweight.
    i remember blue and warren turning pro,and the area title was a big thing in the local small hall shows,great fights.
    i remember warren getting the central area belt,i thought wow,if i wernt ****,i woud like one of them:nut
     
  5. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Central area title...... I wish so much i'd have won that.
     
  6. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I'd adopt the Pete Rademacher approach...;)
     
  7. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Glad everyones taking my thread seriously ha ha
     
  8. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    its a big thing for the up and coming boxer,or should be,and it puts you in the frame for the british title i think,warren fought ensley bingham i think it was,(on the eubank benn 2)for the british title eliminator,L on points
     
  9. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Bingham was one of my faves..... What a banger...
     
  10. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Assuming he is quite young:

    The first fight would just be a given, an easy first round KO.

    In the next 12 months, I would have him fight at least ten times, starting with your 20 and 100 journeymen who can take him a few rounds. Developing him further by fighting fringe British contenders over eight rounders, finishing the year with hopefully an Area Title.

    Year two would begin with a genuine European class fighter over at least 10 rounds, to assess his progress. If he wins, great, British, Commonwealth and European Titles await in year two.

    If he loses, then a further six months and six fights against fringe British contenders, defending his Area title, before stepping up and challenging for a British, Commonwealth or European title.

    Year three See's further development against fringe contenders from all parts of the world, culminating in a fight against a genuine world class contender that if he wins, should lead to title shot in his fourth year.

    So IMO, if the fighter has the class, you can build him up in 36 months and 22/23 fights to a World class level, even with a defeat, providing it is a learning fight, it still only puts you back six months.
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    lol first fight and he was a decent fighter

    i would probably start my boy off with 6x3 against decent journeyman for his first 5 stepping up the level slightly. At this point i would get him an area title and try getting him mandatory for he british. Once he gets the british make afew defences to get a lonsdale belt to keep. These defences would be against the graham earls, kevin mcintyres etc... (old champions on the slide.

    After that i would target a commonwealth title then fight afew decent british fighters your Mcallisters, Limonds, Pryces etc... (decent domestics) then go for the European and win that.

    After the european i would take my boy to America to get decent sparrring and make a name for himself get him afew 12 rounders against ex champions, contenders to boost his rankings in the WBC.

    Get the title shot for the WBC after winning the title make afew defences against decent operaters to test the boy. After afew defences target the ring belt and hopefully win that

    Side Note: from the debut to the WBC title shot the boy would be fighting regualrly once every month/ 2 month with non title fights like 8 rounders in between defences of belts. After the title we would aim to get around 5 or 6 fights a year.
     
  12. GazOC

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    I'm interested in what peoples priorties would be for their boxer. Genuine, respected titles or financial reward and security? I'm not saying the two things need be mutually exclusive but I'd assume going down the WBO route and making a couple of relatively easy "world title" defences pays better than the area/ Brit/ Euro way of doing things? At least then your man can retire with a bit of money if it turns out that the real top guys in the division are too much for him.
     
  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i would say you build your way up fighting often and challenging yourself fighting for european, british titles to get a good ranking in the WBC (IMO the most prestigious belt) after that you target to be the best in the division either unifying titles or going after the ring magazine title. After you are the best at the weight thats when you make your money
     
  14. TBooze

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    It is professional boxing, so the priority has to be money. As a manager it is your job to get the best pay day possible with the least possible risk to your fighter.

    Sure if you got a Calzaghe on your hands, you do not need to worry so much about the risk, but as Waren found out, the better you are as fighter, the more influence you have in the game, and the less need you have for a manager.....
     
  15. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Quality.... Thats what I meant.