You who are UNIMPRESSED by PETER

IMO, Peter will get the job done against Oleg.

 

Johnson never seemed like a big puncher to me. Always seemed to me more of a boxer-type - and a good one at that. I understand he is BY FAR the best of the three, and if he didn't spend so much time in the Mickey D's drive thru, he actually could have done something in the divsion. But that he blew out Oleg so badly when he's not reallly known as a hard hitter is further evidence of just HOW bad Maskaev's chin is. Regardless, I don't think too many people would argue that Peter hits harder than ANY of those guys - and chins don't improve with age.

 

Do you agree that Virchis troubled Chagaev? Virchis is not on Peter's level as a power punching pressure fighter, he's much slower, has lesser of a punch, taller but not as physically imposing and his chin is not there.

Would Virchis beat Maskaev? Virchis has a damn good shot, because Maskaev is as slow as he is. If you answer yes, then picking Maskaev over Peter, who in turn is 3x the fighter that Virchis is, is simply not looking at it straight.

Peter has big power, a cast iron chin, a solid workrate, a developing jab, great movement for a big man, improving offensive skill and on top of it - good handspeed.

Now where does he not compare with Chagaev? Chagaev is more of a euro-boxer puncher and Peter is a pressuring slugger, styles are different but being more boxer oriented does not mean you have more advantages over intangibles over the 'proficient slugger'. Peter's game is to cut off the ring and bomb you out, Chagaev's game is to fight paced and work behind a tight guard and a jab, these go well together, but Peter's pressure would get Chagaev and his power would allow him to bomb Chagaev out or win a wide decision, either way.

And Maskaev is even lesser, he will be removed in round 1.:good

Let me be fair though, Chagaev also KO's Maskaev early, this is not just talking up Peter, it's talking of just how vulnerable Maskaev is.

 

As I told you before, I did not see Chagaev vs Virchis. As for Maskaev vs Peter, I think it is a 50/50 fight, simply because Maskaev is a far smarter fighter and I expect him to come totally prepared and with a smart gameplan, whilst I have no confidence in Peter coming with with any gameplan other than come in and swing wildly.
The only thing I agree with you about Peter is his power and chin, and maybe movement, but his improving offensive skill is a mystery to me. Anyone can look good fighting a completely shot opponent.
The big thing to me is the fact that Peter's defensive 'ability' is a good as that of a punching bag. I can see Chagaev landing flush at Peter again and again, much like for the Valuev fight. IMO Chagaev will win a wide UD.

 

Yes, but the opponent has nothing to do with displaying a new set of skills, do you get that? Prior to Toney 2, Peter fought a bunch of journeymen and didn't display those new offensive skills because he didn't have them, he couldn't have displayed them against a shot opponent had he not been developing them to start with.

The opponent logic goes only so far when we're talking technicalities, if you want to say that he can't pull off his new combinations, which have good handspeed against better opponents, then that is fine, but Oleg even at this point is slower and easier to hit than a shot James Toney, trust me on that one. The one thing you can't say regardless of whether you think he can use his developing skill set on a superior opponent, is that he hasn't been developing them, otherwise we'd have never saw any difference in him and we saw it clear as crystal.

 

OMG are you stupid!!

 

Verry good post, i have to agree!

 

What are you? 12 years old? atsch

 

Your options are far, far too limited. Apparently you have to either think he's about to knock a top 10 heavyweight's head off every second or that there's no chance he ever will.

I think the odds are that if Peter hangs around for a few more years, he will probably stop at least one top 10 opponent somewhere along the way, maybe more. In fact, I think the odds are pretty good he will knock out Maskaev in their upcoming showdown. However, even assuming he does stop a top 10 opponent, that is hardly a unique feat and would not prove him to have the freakish, ungodly punching power sometimes attributed to him. I find those sorts of accolades in his case to be extremely premature and unwarranted. Clearly, Peter hits hard- much harder than an average heavyweight- but his track record in terms of punching power against credible opposition has been decidedly unremarkable and placing him among the elite power punchers of all time and the like, as is sometimes done by his supporters, is unreasonable and unwarranted, in my opinion.

 

That is what they said about his fight with Wlad. Did not happen.

Oleg is no Wlad, but he is just as smart, and he can box a bit, or two. I would not be so confident in Peter.

 

All valid points....

You also must remember Peter is not the same Peter from the Wlad fight, I think he understands the laws of conservation much better than he did 2yrs ago. I find it strange that people have not recognized his improvements, espeacially during the second Toney fight. Oleg's chin is less impressive and so is his defense when compared to the Toney, I think Sam will impress the masses and pull out a great KO on Oleg. Just my opinion.

 

Well spoken!

Peter for sure can punch,but he is a bit overrated my some posters here on esb IMO.
Average Croation heavy weight Jovo Pudar was able to go the full route with him,and so was that fat dwarf Toney.
Vidoz kicked him out of the olympic tournament,and he couldnt hold a candle to former amateur superstar Povetkin at the amateurs.

 

I watched Peter/Toney II last night again. I cannot believe this ****ing cheater how many times he purposefully tried to hit Toney behind the head. If the referee allows that, it is a crime.

Watch it and tell me this ****er isn't a fraud.

 

He can't hit that hard, he never KO'd WALDO.

 

You severly overrate Peter. Based on what? His win over Taurus Sykes? Or maybe Yankme Diaz?

Peter may well KO Oleg but he wouldn't be the first to KO "The Big O" anyway. So what would it say about Peter's percieved power? It would just mean that Oleg is too old & he made a mistake that Sam capitalized on.

The difference between Wladimir & Sam is huge. Wlad KO's fighters who haven't been previously KO'd, and he does it in brutal fashion.