Young Mayweather vs Old Mayweather

The younger - actually threw punches and didn't shoulder roll for twelve rounds. Now he's just in it to troll fans and fill his bank account using the most minimal effort possible (oh he runs now because his age :nut). Young Floyd was a fighter, old Floyd is a media creation.

 

Honestly the only advantages I see a younger Floyd having were more hand-speed, aggressive combination-punching, and more disengaged lateral movement. 140 and above, his guard is much better, his control of distance is much better, his accuracy is sharper, and his intuition as to which punches to pick in certain spots has peaked.

 

I think it's because he improved it and decided to fight that way since it's the best form for him to counter out of. Counterpunching is sensitive to distance, you still have to be close enough to get your counters off. You rarely see counterpunchers moving and dancing around like Ali. It makes for missed counter opportunities.

Floyd at the age of 30 still had a fresh pair of legs when he fought Oscar but stuck to his conservative movement approach for the most part. He ended up jabbing around while incorporating some lateral movement like your stereotypical outside fighter later on in the fight when he realized it be a good way to cut down on Oscar's jab.

Then when he fought Juan he behaved more like your standard outside fighter by sticking and moving with the jab since it was the optimal strategy.

These two fights where he displayed the ability to really move convinced me he consciously chose not to move around so much as he moved up in weight.

 

We see it all the time. Fighters move up in weight and don't alter their style, they gradually become less and less effective. We're seeing it now with Robert Guererro and with Nonito Donaire to a certaine extent.

Mayweather canned his offensive out put and chose to sit back, allowing bigger guys to lead, thus they make the openings for him. This way his reflexes both keep him out of trouble, and allow him to land selective shots which prevent minimal risk to himself.

Intelligence personified. Don't understand how people can find that boring.

 

Then again if Floyd did not dare to trade with him and didn't get reckless with that left hook he would not have gotten caught with that overhand right at that time. I take nothing from Mosley I actually like him but him clipping Mayweather in the 2nd rd would not have happened at that time had Mayweather been focused and didn't look to trade.

Still its grreat that did happen to him because he recovered from it and as Nazim would say, "Had his tail stepped on so he spit fireballs". Old fart or not Mosley still could hit at WW and it was brave for Floyd to fight him standing in front of him the whole fight apart from a few struts to get better distance.

G. Hernandez was his best performance or at least my fav. Floyd really had to think to beat him and it was impressive for a fighter that young to be so smart. Not hyping Ward but he's the only fighter I can think of after FLoyd to be so smart yet so young.

I like Ward I wish he beats Dawson but maybe we can discuss fight plans for both very talented fighters sometime this week before the fight starts this Sat.

I actually wanted him to face Martinez more than Pacquaio for the longest now. I feel his jab, awkwardness, and patience are tougher to deal with than Manny's easy frustration. Just a thought as we'll never know what happens until he fights whoever but I can't see that fight happening as I think Martinez has his hands full at 160.

Maybe Alvarez?

I feel he is bigger and older so he wasn't as fast as he was. Also, why waste energy that ya don't have anymore? I think he applies a bit of both as he looks to use that energy he did moving to try to commit to the fight more. Not sure if he's become better at reading guys but he seems more fluid with landing shots so I won't blame you for saying that lol.

I told Leon that he's been a bit reckless but that's just from the 2nd rd of the Mosley fight and Cotto fight. Marquez & Ortiz fights he fought perfectly imo.

He is the complete master of distance now whether taking it away with his footwork(think Mosley & Ortiz fights) or moving in and out of range effectively getting in the shots he needs yet being unhittable for the most part(DLH?, Marquez fight definitely).

Notice that he pawed alot ala Holmes to get his shots off? I've noticed he's done that less as he looks for combinations less than he did as a FW but more than 06-07. I think now instead of being a combo guy he once was, he's settled more into getting 2-3 clean shots in then using that "off time" to further study his opponent and space. Seeing which angle to attack from next or which angle to move to next for offense and/or defense. Truly poetic.

 

Well put.

Some are here for the violence, others are here for the science.

 

the eight round vs Hatton for me is arguably the best round of Floyds career for me, can watch the round over an again

 

I was joking. I watched Floyd Mayweather vs Baldomir 3 times and Floyd vs Cotto twice.

I never got into Pacquaio fights, I don't know why. I tried to watch Pacquaio vs Cotto, but stopped by the fifth round.

I disagree about the lower weight higher weight thing though.
I agree lower weights is more skilled overall then HEAVYWEIGHTS. But I think the MW and SMW fighters are just as skilled and smooth as a lot of the WW'S.

 

you're seriously missing out

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