Young Stribling Vs Phil Scott

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  1. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    What was that heavy bag work all about? Hahahaha wow.

    You are all flat out romanticising these old fighters. They are awful.

    And that's coming from someone who believes fighters from the 70s, 80s, and 90s were better than today's generation.
     
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  2. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Looks textbook to me. He replaces his shoulders when he punches and keeps his forearms level. He always rotates his backfoot when he throws the right. If Parker was half as skilled as Stribling he would've beat Whyte and neutralized a lot of Joshua's offense. Stribling also uses minimal footwork when getting in and out of range of the bag, which very few fighters can do today.

    Considering he was preparing against Max Schmelling, who had one of the best counter rights in heavyweight history Stribling's work on the bag made sense. Stribling was effective for 11 rounds against Schmelling, but Schmelling being a patient man timed him with the perfect counter right and took Stribling out in the 15th round.

    Stribling wasn't a natural puncher, but he could punch hard enough to keep guys much bigger than himself honest. When Stribling fought top level talent that could punch these accurate counter shots kept him from getting over run by bigger opponents.

    Parker hitting the bag.


    In comparison to Stribling Parker works the bag like a complete novice. Doesn't turn his back foot when he throws the right, which is why he can't generate any power. Also, all the wasted steps he takes to get in and out of range of the bag. His wasteful footwork really cost him in the Joshua fight. Every time he dodged Joshua he'd do it by moving too far away, so once Joshua was off guard he was too out of range to punch Joshua. Joshua started noticing this in the midrounds and used his superior reach to tag Parker each time Parker would fail to get back in range.
     
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  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    Stribling's form on the heavybag looks textbook to you?
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    And Parker works the bag like a complete novice?
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    Where did you learn about heavybag technique? Sincere question.
     
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  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you think Parker's technique is good you could always show some proof and where it translated in the ring. Above I explained why Parker's technique was poor technique and how continuing to make those mistakes in training cost him in the ring in several fights. Stribling is clearly more efficient in working the bag and his efficiency and better use of leverage showed in his career while Parker can't cut the mustard against good competition.
     
  5. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

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    Kevin, the guy is either trying to be funny or ..., no, he has to be joking, nobody could be that wrong.
     
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  6. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I still haven't seen you or him prove how Stribling's technique is inferior to a modern fighter like Parker, who is clearly still a novice skill wise if you compare him to an old pro like Stribling.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    Stribling looks absolutely ridiculous on the bag. He literally looks like how someone who's never received any training or advice on how to hit a bag might look. He's winding up and throwing slow, telegraphed punches, mostly one at a time. Those punches are completely useless (unless you've already concussed your opponent or he's distracted by the ring girl or something). The second punch he lands (that left hook) is a terrible cuff of an arm punch with extremely poor leverage that he appears to land with the thumb side of his glove. You talk about "efficiency" but he's hopping and bouncing around for no legitimate boxing-related reason, other than the fact that some of his punches are carrying him off balance. His body is squared, his hands are low, he's not using any head movement or elusive footwork--he's a wide open target. And the last right that he throws and lands is too ridiculous to describe. I could be wrong but it looks like he delivers it while he's falling away from the bag on one leg, off-balanced. This is terrible punching and even worse heavybag work. If it looks "textbook" to you, then you need a new textbook. Maybe you could start by watching some of the youtube channels where trainers teach beginners the dos and don'ts about working a heavybag?

    Parker, on the other hand, looks infinitely better on the bag. He's not flawless but he does not look like a novice in any respect. He has much better balance, much smoother footwork, much better form, and he's throwing fluid, crisp combinations. He's punching on the move and more or less maintaining his preferred distance. What he's doing on the bag is levels and levels above what Stribling is doing. I don't get how you don't see this. If they met in the ring and fought the way they're fighting in their workout videos, Parker would slaughter him, easily, every single time. It wouldn't be a fair fight.

    Again, Stribling:
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    This is surreal.
     
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  8. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If a fighter has proper punching mechanics, which Stribling does it isn't about how the fighter looks, but how effective he is. If you'll notice the bag Stribling is using is small and light and he's practicing hitting a moving target, which Stribling was very effective at doing. Also, what do I need watch a bunch of trainers on youtube for when Stribling proved how effective his skillset was in more than 200+ matches. Stribling was able to successfully campaign in every division from 118 to heavyweight for a reason. Stribling only ever needs to take one step to successfully hit the bag. Being able to get to your opponent in one step before he gets to you is vital.

    Parker's footwork and punching mechanics are completely wasteful and it showed in the Joshua fight and many other fights that he's had. When Parker moves away from the bag it sometimes takes him 3-4 steps to be in striking range, which is useless.

    Joshua and Parker


    At 1:38 notice that Joshua only needs take one step and pull the back leg forward to be in striking range of Parker. However, the same isn't true for Parker, who despite dodging alot of Joshua's punches while also wasting alot of energy keeps dodging without thinking about his positing in the ring afterwards. At 2:10 after dodging some of Joshua's punches Parker tries to counter attack, but his punches don't reach due to Parker's wasteful movements and not being in position to attack in one step. Parker needs 2-3 steps in order to be in range of Joshua, but once Parker takes a second or third step Joshua already had moved or countered Parker.

    Here is Holyfield explaining how important it is to be in range of your opponent in one step and how needing anymore is useless, since if you need 2-3 steps you wont hit your target.
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    You asked how Stribling's technique was inferior to Parker's but then more or less ignored everything that I pointed out in my detailed response.

    As I explained, Stribling obviously doesn't have proper mechanics in the clip. And his overall technique looks ****-poor. Are you under the illusion that Stribling would have fared better against Anthony Joshua than Parker did? If Stribling stands/hops around within punching range of Joshua, like how he's working that bag, he's getting knocked out. Quickly. Especially if he uses the technique he uses in that clip, with his ridiculous punches and his complete neglect of defense.

    Joshua hits much harder than Parker and has a longer reach, while Parker has speed advantages. Seems extremely odd to criticize Parker for creating too much distance between them.

    But back to the original point of this exchange. With all due respect, if you think that Stribling looks "textbook" on the heavybag and Parker looks like a novice, you really need a new textbook.
     
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  10. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stribling's technique doesn't neglect defense. When he throws the jab the right is always in position to parry the jab and once he defends with the parry he can counter with the right. Parker could learn a thing or two by watching Stribling's footage.

    Stribling and Phil Scott 6'3"1/2 82 inch reach


    Stribling is giving up 8 inches and reach, but due to his footwork and keeping his right hand ready he easily neutralizes Scott's jab and reach. Stribling also stays and range and effective uses his speed advantage to land his well time counters to the body, which were very effective.

    Joe Louis himself used this strategy years later with great success and crushed plenty of talented heavyweights of all sizes with it. Archie Moore also utilized similar punching technique when he crushed Embrell Davidson, who was much bigger than Moore, but was quickly destroyed and neutralized.

    Stribling fought and beat fighters Joshua's size before and beat plenty of fighters more proven and more experienced than Parker. I doubt Joshua would knockout Stribling considering he struggled with Takam, who isn't half as experienced or as skilled as Stribling. Chisora isn't half the athlete Joshua or Parker are, but because of his experience, better ring efficiency, and punching mechanics easily ended Takam while Joshua and Parker being very green struggled to get the job done.

    Also, how hard Joshua punches and his reach advantage are irrelevant, since reach and power can easily be neutralized with efficient footwork and timing, which are two things Parker lacks. Takam is much older and more shop worn than Parker is, but performed better against Joshua, since Takam understands these things.

    Takam and Joshua.


    Throughout the fight Takam never struggles to be within punching range while dodging Joshua's punches and landed frequently on Joshua. Joshua was very lucky Takam has no punching power whatsoever. Takam would use Joshua's own jab as a ruler and would never dodge outside of that range. This allowed Takam to counter and land on Joshua without ever having to take more than one step.
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    I object to so many things you've written that I'm having a hard time keeping them all straight:

    1) I was pointing out that Stribling completely neglects defense on the heavybag, which is one of the many things (but certainly not the main thing) that makes him look so ridiculous there. The contrast between him and Parker is pretty obvious in this respect and in the many other respects that I mentioned:
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    The idea that Stribling looks "textbook" there and Parker looks like a novice is beyond baffling.

    2) He's also frequently wide open in the fight footage, when he rushes the hapless Phil Scott head-on, while throwing wide punches.

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    Do you really think he'd have survived against Anthony Joshua using that attacking style? And he'd be eating fast, straight punches all night if he tried to close distance on Joseph Parker like that, with his guard low and open. And that "inefficient" footwork of Parker's would have kept Parker mostly out of his effective punching range.

    3) I disagree that his defensive style in the Scott fight is anything like the style that Joe Louis used.

    4) Chisora "easily ended Takam" while Parker and Joshua struggled to get the job done? Are you being serious?? Chisora got beaten up and dominated for most of the fight before stepping in and landing a very fortunate haymaker. Takam punished Chisora in ways that he never would have been able to hurt Parker or Joshua.

    5) I disagree with your one-step rule but Stribling violates it himself in the fight footage. He's more than one step away from Scott when he comes in to land what I believe is the first knockdown.
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stribling must have fought his chauffeur about 50 times.
     
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    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    Welcome back!
     
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    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks Mate!
     
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    Davidson was stopped by Toxie Hall ,Marciano's sparring partner.
     


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