Young Tyson said he would beat Ali.

Tyson and Frazier were exactly the same size. Tyson added 10 extra pounds of musculature but their frames were exactly the same size. When Tyson lost all his musculature at 45 or 50 compare him with old Frazier and i think that joe looked more solid and robust.
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The same size of frame

 

good points Frazier May have even been taller. Tyson seemed more robust and defined in the ring to me but their dimensions were similar

 

You may be referring to a video where Tyson said me a 20 years old and Ali at 20 years old, I think I would be alright, I have forgot the video at the moment but since Tyson has been through his whole career and tasted defeat, been in deep waters and gone through the experience of losing and competing against ATG S , obviously his mind set has changed from that young 20 year old who was beating tomato cans easily. like most people would. Like Ali once said a man who thinks the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life. Ps I will try and remember the video, but only if you think it maybe that.

 

Sorry bud can’t help you, but you have got me going now, would love to know what it was.

 

I agree tyson beats ali

 

Prime Mike Tyson cannot beat prime Muhammad Ali, 1964-1967. This thread is like one of those old retread tires back in the 1970's, over and over again. And I am not allowed to start a post? Well for the last time, I will say this. Mike Tyson, although a big hitter, lacked stamina, he had to knock out his opponents early, he usually did. He had also a psychological factor or edge, he frightened his adversaries before the fight started, he looked mean and hungry, like he could not wait to get at them. George Foreman, in his prime and Sonny Liston used to have this weapon in their arsenal. Tyson using this would play into Ali getting into his head as he did to Liston and Ernie Terrell. Tyson did have episode's where he would suddenly break down and cry for no reason during sparring. He did have some emotional problems, because his youth years were not good. Ali would drive Mike mad with the things he would find to make fun of Tyson with, maybe give him a nickname. Ali had footwork reflexes, rhythm, stamina, and speed. He would not lay on the ropes for Tyson, that trick would come later in his career. Tyson is fast, as seen in his prime fights. But Ali would be floating and gliding around the ring hurling taunts at him when he cannot hit him, calling him hurtful names. Ali would be Floating Like A Butterfly, Stinging Like A Bee. This is not the Fight Of The Century fight against prime Joe Frazier, this is prime Muhammad Ali. That Ali was very rusty. Ali stings Mike with his jabs and quick combinations while easily moving away.Tyson's face would swell up and he would be exhausted from chasing a butterfly. Tyson did not look great in his fights where he had to go the distance. James Buster Douglas exposed him, and Ali is much quicker. Tyson quits in round 13, as his corner feel that he is taking too many punches. Too many confuse the Ali of the 1970's with this prime version, he was not. In the 1970's he did not train well, he liked to entertain the press and he was not young for a fighter. I do believe that prime Mike Tyson had a real good chance against the Ali of the 1970's as he no longer had the physical gifts mentioned above in his prime years, he was more vulnerable, he got hit more. In post prime years, Joe Frazier and Ken Norton exposed him. Sure he had trouble with Henry Cooper and Doug Jones in 1963, but I am talking about Ali during his first title reign of 1964-1967. Look up the definition of insanity, it describes this common thread of Ali vs Tyson. The outcome is always going to be the same.

 

I agree. It is funny when Tyson fans say "you can't mention the fights against buster douglas or holyfield because we are talking about prime Tyson" and then they attack Ali mentioning his fight against Frazier in 1971. Lol

 

I agree my friend, always excuses for Tyson. A champions responsibility is to be in shape for defending his title against challengers, he was in shape, the better man won. Lol

 

He didn't mention Ali in this video, and if Tyson did say that, it's ok, because he should've felt that way. I remember Ali, Tyson and Leonard on the Arsenio Hall show and both men were very gracious to one another.
If they actually fought prime vs prime. Ali would win in my opinion. Ali was the most gifted fighter in boxing history athletically, and from 1965 to 1968 won fights effortlessly.
But after his forced exile , he returned not the gifted athlete he was in his prime.......
But we discovered something about Ali, he was one of the toughest men to ever lace them up.
Tyson also was very gifted, and looked unstoppable in his prime.
But when Tyson slowed, we found out as with most bullies if you stand up to them, they crack.
The Holyfield vs Tyson fights, the Botha and Mcbride incidents, how he became reluctant in his prime against Tucker after he got nailed early.

Tyson was a devastating force of nature, as long as everything was going his way. But it wouldn't go his way against Ali. Well before the fight, Ali would be instilling doubt in Tyson's mind. The taunts, clowning him in public , the insults.
All that would work on Tyson, he was mentally fragile.
I see the men standing in the ring, listening to the ref's instructions, Ali , as usual running his mouth, and Tyson, not looking as confident as he normally did.
Bell rings, Tyson, trying to prove he isn't affected by Ali's mind games, comes at Ali like a Cruise missile. But Ali wouldn't be their. He be on his toes just out of Tyson's reach, landing lightning quick jabs, and occasional right leads. All the while taunting him. Tyson by the 6th rd would clearly be frustrated. And would try to physically wrestle Ali into a corner. But Ali is physically stronger than given credit for. Ali would be able to tie Tyson up, contributing more to his Frustrations.
By the 10th rd Tyson would be clearly behind in the scoring of the fight, and very reluctant to let his hands go. This is the difference between the will of Frazier and Tyson. Tyson was more talented than Frazier, but he didn't have his mental toughness. Frazier would've preferred death to losing, especially against Ali, and was trying to win to the end.
Ali would go on to win a unanimous dec, or more likely a late stoppage between 11 and 15th ed. The key difference wouldn't be the atheletiscim but mental toughness. Tyson would crack under the pressure.

 

Flash24, Muhammad Ali was World Heavyweight champion from 1964-1967, first title reign. He was stripped of his title and license in 1967, in 1968, Ali was inactive. He returned to boxing in 1970.

 

Young Mike Tyson lied.