Your Criteria For Ranking The ATGs.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Neverchair, Sep 12, 2010.


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  1. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not one id choose to use for that exact reason!
     
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  2. speck

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    I'm with you
     
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  3. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Surely you can only measure ability by how they perform against quality opposition?

    Again it comes down to resume.

    Perhaps the manner in which they beat opposition could be included?
    Again though, you could include this under resume.
     
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  4. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    excellent stuff here. Yeah I would say opposition and which ATGs they beat. That is important. Longevity, but not just longevity fighting mediocre, but did they fight at the top level for over 10 years. If so that is impressive. Moving up and down in weight is another criteria, since I think only the greats can move up and down and win titles in different divisions.
     
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  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Actually, it comes down to ability. Ability doesn't exclude resume.

    If someone asks you who are the best boxers of all time, then he is asking you who are the boxers who have the most ability. Whether you use resume, accomplishments, and/or watching tapes to establish your list of the best fighters of all time, at the end of the day you are ranking them from best to worse in terms of your perception of their ability.
     
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  6. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Not sure I agree with that. A boxer can under/overachieve when it comes to ability...I'd say there are more factors when deciding whether a boxer is an ATG or not.
     
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  7. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This.


    Not this.
     
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  8. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  9. bandido

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    atg/hof boxers defeated
    legit/linear titles
    title defenses
    ring dominance
    record (wins/losses)
     
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  10. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lets take Wladimir Klitschko as a recent example.

    You can only base his ability at elite level by his performances against the people he has fought. That is rock solid evidence.

    Could he have beaten Jack Dempsey? Maybe.
    But that is just a (calculated) guess. It's not hard evidence of ATG status.

    His resume is fact. His ability (against other greats) is just perception.
     
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  11. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you can't truely judge ability without resume. some fighters are flat track bullys and look awsome against medicore to good fighters.
     
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  12. Wiirdo

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    Ability and resume equally.
     
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  13. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    I applaud your effort here Neverchair, but as i predicted these threads just point out the fact that most guys on here dont have a clue how they judge greatness from an objective stand point.

    I stand by my criteria and until i see a post with some improvement I will use these criteria. :smoke
     
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  14. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    I dont think you can rule out the reign and total record, it really says something about a guy like Joe Louis and Larry Holmes who are definitely top 5 guys on any objective list. It shows toughness, consistency and dominance that doesnt just require just athleticism.

    Dont you find it significant that a guy like James Toney can be competitive through 80 plus pro fights? What about Wlad fighting 60 times vs david haye with only 25 professional fights?
     
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  15. bambamz

    bambamz Active Member Full Member

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    1. # of Fights
    2. Quality of Opposition
    3. # Of Wins
     
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